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post #121 of 201
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Quote: about the Bmw 2002 tii

I would agree.

The point is that no one on this thread would go near a new car with only 138 hp at nearly 6k rpm. 0-60mph in 10seconds as performance?? That's laughed at.

They would not buy it. You probably wouldn't even buy it for your spouse, considering it "underpowered" and thus dangerous.

 

We are way skewed where power numbers are concerned. Cars have far more power than in the muscle car era, and they can handle and stop, which those could not.

As for the looks dept., well were not always so good these days.

It is probably easier to find a car with 300hp than one that gets 30mpg around town.

We are totally spoiled in the performance dept.

If we were willing to accept 0-60mph in 10secs as a performance car, then a merely decent, above average car would be more like 40+ mpg in the city.

 



Tog.... Well the original Miata was 2100lbs. and had a whooping 116hp stock.....they've been selling a few of these (now 900,000+) They have grown to 2500lbs and 167hp today (15lb/1hp)

 

The real problem is the weight of todays cars. Even a "Mini" Cooper weighs in @ 2600lbs (originals were 1300lbs)

 

post #122 of 201
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Tog.... Well the original Miata was 2100lbs. and had a whooping 116hp stock.....they've been selling a few of these (now 900,000+) They have grown to 2500lbs and 167hp today (15lb/1hp)

 

The real problem is the weight of todays cars. Even a "Mini" Cooper weighs in @ 2600lbs (originals were 1300lbs)

 


The 99 Miata was actually a much better car than the 90 in every aspect including power to weight, it was just 100 lb more but with 25 more HP. Having owned 6 Miata's, IMHO it was the best I ever had including a pristine 96R. I do not disagree that new cars have gotten so "fat", you can thank all the safety features like airbags all over, 5MPH bumpers ect. Hell, even these 20" wheels weigh more..I guess due to those great performing "run flat tires".duel.gif

 

post #123 of 201
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You mean like writing a letter longhand??

Admittedly it's better than texting a letter, but not much.

See, if you had a 4 on the tree, you wouldn't be able to do all that.

 

 

Well, that is sort of true. I only did that once, because it turned out to be not so exciting, since I couldn't really shift and write at the same time. I had to wait for red lights. Now, had I been left-handed, or driving an automatic ....

 

post #124 of 201
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The 99 Miata was actually a much better car than the 90 in every aspect including power to weight, it was just 100 lb more but with 25 more HP. Having owned 6 Miata's, IMHO it was the best I ever had including a pristine 96R. I do not disagree that new cars have gotten so "fat", you can thank all the safety features like airbags all over, 5MPH bumpers ect. Hell, even these 20" wheels weigh more..I guess due to those great performing "run flat tires".duel.gif

 



STOCK is just the starting point....    biggrin.gif

 

post #125 of 201
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STOCK is just the starting point....    biggrin.gif

 


uh huh, the 1.8L was a better foundation to start with than the 1.6L and the NB platform was significantly better than the NA. I have posted this in Miata.net..The NA was a girl with a playful curiosity about sex, as the NB she grew into a woman with an insatiable appetite for it.

 

post #126 of 201
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uh huh, the 1.8L was a better foundation to start with than the 1.6L and the NB platform was significantly better than the NA. I have posted this in Miata.net..The NA was a girl with a playful curiosity about sex, as the NB she grew into a woman with an insatiable appetite for it.

 



So by this logic, in 2005, the NC was a married woman with no further interest in her husband    roflmao.gif

 

post #127 of 201
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So by this logic, in 2005, the NC was a married woman with no further interest in her husband    roflmao.gif

 


Sure seems that way to me.  When my 2003 Miata is no longer driveable I am not bothering with replacing it with a new one...
 

 

 

post #128 of 201
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So by this logic, in 2005, the NC was a married woman with no further interest in her husband    roflmao.gif

 

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Sure seems that way to me.  When my 2003 Miata is no longer driveable I am not bothering with replacing it with a new one...
 



So the trick is, IF you must drive a later NC car........borrow it   cool.gif

 


Edited by Rossi Smash - 5/18/11 at 11:56am
post #129 of 201
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So by this logic, in 2005, the NC was a married woman with no further interest in her husband    roflmao.gif

 



 



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Sure seems that way to me.  When my 2003 Miata is no longer driveable I am not bothering with replacing it with a new one...
 

 

 



 



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So the trick is, IF you must drive a latter NC car........borrow it   cool.gif

 


Yep, thats about it. eek.gif

 

post #130 of 201

So to get back on track here....

 

"Manually shifted transmissions are an endangered species. In 1980, more than 35 percent of cars sold had a stick; in 2007 the number had dropped to 7.7 percent. "

 

http://editorial.autos.msn.com/article.aspx?cp-documentid=656470 

 

 

BMW 1-Series M Coupe

BMW 1-Series M Coupe

"Here is some sad new, the manual transmission has made it onto the endangered species list. According to data from Ward’s Auto, manual transmission sales in the United States hit a historical low of just 4.4 percent in 2010. "

post #131 of 201

I guess it's about time I went out and made a nuisance of myself demanding one.  The Audi is 13 years old, has 150k on it and is starting to look like a beater....

post #132 of 201
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I guess it's about time I went out and made a nuisance of myself demanding one.  The Audi is 13 years old, has 150k on it and is starting to look like a beater....



Save your breath. Manufactures are not concerned with we want, but more what the government wants in the overall MPG requirements. When the automatics are getting smarter and much more efficient than the sticks in performance and MPG, why would they back an inferior drivetrain. If you want another stick start shopping the USED car market.  

post #133 of 201
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Doesn't 135i have the same engine as the 335i, the twin-turbo?   So 135i gotta be faster, since 1-series is a lighter, smaller car.   A quick Google search gives the 0-60 time for 135i as 4.7 sec.  That's bleeping fast for a status symbol. 
 



Well....the 2012 1-Series M Coupe....

 

"BMW has just released some new information about the long awaited 1-Series M Coupe, including engine information, release dates, and the toys it will carry.

Under the hood will be the twin-turbocharged 3.0-liter inline-six with 340 horsepower. That motor will be connected to six-speed manual transmission. There will no automatic option with this vehicle. That motor should be more than enough to haul around the car’s 3,307-pound weight.

The M1 will feature a chassis, braking system, and rear differential similar to the M3. In total, that power and these tweaks have made the M1 faster than the E46 M3 around the Nordschleife. ""

 

Can you believe this 1-Series weighs 3,300 lbs! My '87 325is is 2800lbs......

 

 

post #134 of 201

I have been, because I'm interested in an Outback 2009 or earlier.  They ruined the thing. 
 

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Save your breath. Manufactures are not concerned with we want, but more what the government wants in the overall MPG requirements. When the automatics are getting smarter and much more efficient than the sticks in performance and MPG, why would they back an inferior drivetrain. If you want another stick start shopping the USED car market.  



 

post #135 of 201
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I have been, because I'm interested in an Outback 2009 or earlier.  They ruined the thing. 
 



 


I agree 100% (sadly thought, I am sure, it will be the best selling one ever). Before I bought my Jetta SW TDI I was looking for a 06-09 Leg SW OR even an Outback, I couldn't find one that I found acceptable for a reasonable amount of money...and I had some pretty good connections in the car business. My guess is it will be even tougher for you in Montana..I know we had wholesalers in the Philly area that brought all the dredge Subies to Montana. 

 

If you are lucky enough to find a stick OB, I would strongly suggest Subaru's short shift kit for it...it makes a marginal shifting transmission shift much better. 

 

post #136 of 201



 

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The 99 Miata was actually a much better car than the 90 in every aspect including power to weight, it was just 100 lb more but with 25 more HP. Having owned 6 Miata's, IMHO it was the best I ever had including a pristine 96R.

I do not disagree that new cars have gotten so "fat", you can thank all the safety features like airbags all over, 5MPH bumpers ect. Hell, even these 20" wheels weigh more..I guess due to those great performing "run flat tires".duel.gif

 

Wait, are bumpers still 5mph? I just thought they were crap shields now. The orig 5mph bumpers were really that with the shocks, heavy steel etc.

Just the wiring in your average car is up probably 50lbs. In a more advanced one it's probably 100lbs.

Now we're getting rollover protection mandated in the form of stability control.

It would be far more useful safety wise to mandate hands free phone systems in cars and possibly voice to text and vice versa.

 

 

 

Quote: http://www.designnews.com/article/316784-Automakers_Aim_to_Simplify_Electrical_Architectures.php July, 2009

 

Indeed, today's automakers are nearly obsessed with the idea of electrical weight reduction. But their dilemma is like that of a very fat man who tries to lose weight by eating more. The diet on the horizon calls for more microcontrollers, not less. First, there's safety technology - cameras, vision sensors, radar systems, lane keeping, collision avoidance and new dashboard displays. Then there's the hybrid technology - motor controllers, battery controllers and energy management. All those features need dedicated processors.

Electrical engineers might embrace those technologies were it not for the fact that their vehicles are already packed with too many microcontrollers and too much wiring. Most automakers say that today's average car uses between 35 and 45 microcontrollers. Luxury automakers employ 40 to 50. BMW's 7 Series is said to have topped out at 70.
 

 

post #137 of 201
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Wait, are bumpers still 5mph? I just thought they were crap shields now. The orig 5mph bumpers were really that with the shocks, heavy steel etc.

Just the wiring in your average car is up probably 50lbs. In a more advanced one it's probably 100lbs.

Now we're getting rollover protection mandated in the form of stability control.

It would be far more useful safety wise to mandate hands free phone systems in cars and possibly voice to text and vice versa.

 

 


How about features that make sense....

 

If you have a rear wiper and the front wipers are on, when you put the car in reverse the rear wiper comes on? (actually Volvo does do this)

 

If you turn you wipers on, the headlights come on. It IS a law in most states. 

 

post #138 of 201

How about a pop up sign, "Engage Brain before shifting out of Park!"

post #139 of 201

VW does that on GTi - if front wiper is on, rear is off and you get in reverse it gives 1 pass of the rear wiper. Agree, that's pretty neat... DRL is standard, can't switch them off at all. Wipers speed goes to "interrupt" from "continuous" when the car stops at traffic light. TPMS is great safety feature and makes tons of sense from both safety and money saving point.

 

But for some unexpected reason the Blutooth is an option (which i never bothered to istall though) compared to standard on GTi's in Europe...
 

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Originally Posted by Philpug View Post




How about features that make sense....

 

If you have a rear wiper and the front wipers are on, when you put the car in reverse the rear wiper comes on? (actually Volvo does do this)

 

If you turn you wipers on, the headlights come on. It IS a law in most states. 

 



 

post #140 of 201

Guess we can't stop it...

 

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post #141 of 201

 

I will NOT submit

 

I will NOT be assimilated

 

Resistance is NOT futile

 

Picard_as_Locutus[1].jpg

 

I will continue to shift my own gears......

 

post #142 of 201
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Originally Posted by Philpug View Post
I do not disagree that new cars have gotten so "fat", you can thank all the safety features like airbags all over, 5MPH bumpers ect. Hell, even these 20" wheels weigh more..I guess due to those great performing "run flat tires".duel.gif

 

Yeah, although I recall an article in R&T last year that showed most of the increase was in "luxury" or "sport" items that used to be options: Fuel injection, power everything with its own little motor, multiple speakers and bigger amps, various handling/active suspension bits. FWIW, Reagan dropped the 1974 mandated 5 mph bumpers, since then 2.5 mph from front, 1.75 from sides. So they really do crack like a kid's toy, but don't weight as much as they used to...
 

 

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Originally Posted by Rossi Smash View Post

 

I will NOT submit

 

I will NOT be assimilated

 

Resistance is NOT futile

 

Picard_as_Locutus[1].jpg

 

I will continue to shift my own gears......

 


Curious to what degree there's any aftermarket in stick/tranny conversion. Always been a possibility, has it gotten simpler/cheaper? If yes, then demand for sticks unmet. If no, then resistance  is futile simply because 4% = already been assimilated. 

 

post #143 of 201

Well Here's your future Bugatti with 7 speed sequential shift + reverse.

 

Video from: Conchinhas

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jHWDSnWk2jU&feature=related

post #144 of 201
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Originally Posted by TheDad View Post

My objection to the 1 series has nothing to do with performance and everything to do with aesthetics.

 

The convertible is almost tolerable.

 

The coupe makes me shield my eyes.


Looks ok to me but then beauty is in the eye of the beholder, right?

 


 

 

post #145 of 201

Personally, I like the 1 series, as I previously said, it is the most BMW of any of the BMW sedans currently offered and I think it is far from ugly. 

post #146 of 201
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Originally Posted by Philpug View Post

Personally, I like the 1 series, as I previously said, it is the most BMW of any of the BMW sedans currently offered and I think it is far from ugly. 



 

You of course meant Coupe or Convertible.... wink.gif

 

2011-bmw-1%20series-frontside_ecbm1seriesm111[1].jpg    2011-bmw-1-series-front-angle3_6741_089_200x150[1].jpg

post #147 of 201


 

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Personally, I like the 1 series, as I previously said, it is the most BMW of any of the BMW sedans currently offered and I think it is far from ugly. 


the 2002-2008 7 series 2003-10 6 series is one that defined "ugly" in BMW for me. 1 series looks great - pocket rocket type, for now can only imagine how it moves with 3.0 twin turbo...

 

post #148 of 201

I walk by one most mornings entering my office.  The rear end -- from a normal human eye angle, not from the top of a tire -- is disproportioned.

 

The hatch doesn't look half bad, but of course, it isn't offered here.

post #149 of 201
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Originally Posted by Philpug View Post




How about features that make sense....

 

If you have a rear wiper and the front wipers are on, when you put the car in reverse the rear wiper comes on? (actually Volvo does do this)

 



My Honda SUVs do this.

 

post #150 of 201

Manual transmissions are the new anti-theft device. Only us old farts know how to drive them!  roflmao.gif

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