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Looking for royalty-free hi-res pro SLR photos of skiers, snowboarders, surfers (etc.) for my graphics promo

post #1 of 13
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I'm trying to do a series of designs so that I can try my luck with some of the major companies/publications involved with skiing, skate, surfing, or other wild sports. I'm not too good with trendy looking designs; instead, my style is more of crude over-the-board look. And in many cases that style is the signature style for wild sport publications. So, I'll try since I haven't tried anything with ski, surf and sk8 designs yet.

 

I am looking for royalty free images, but not willing to pay for it since I'm not making any money out of this. Or, if you are the photographer, I'm willing to put your name on the bottom of the design, in small letters... something like, photo credit xxxxxxxx. Keep in mind that I'm putting this image on my site as portfolio; so, later, after I spend many hours of work, I don't want to hear something like, "Wow, you really are a wacky designer... your design is really ugly, remove my photo, I don't want it online!"

 

I'm possibly looking for shots taken with high-end SLR and lenses, smooth & low-ISO-looking images. But sometimes amateur photos look great too as long as they are high-res. I'm not looking for anything like 640X480, since I'm designing in high-res only.

 

Thanks.

post #2 of 13
So, dude, you are looking fir someone to give you their work for free, lock stock and barrel, and you will maybe put a very small credit line at the bottom. And yes, the artwork will be featured on your website only and if your work gets into something, maybe you will send a thank you note. And you only want a DSLR low ISO photos... Good luck with your business model.
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"Business model?" No. This is portfolio work: I am not selling my work. I am selling my skills. If a company said, I like your skills, can you do a similar design or can you work for us, then we know very well that if the same photo is used it needs to be bought from the photographer. I wouldn't put a real name of a company, but a fake name; or, if it's a ski image for example, then I'd use words like ski, snow, wild, jump, fly, etc. But not actual company names. There's nothing fishy in what I'm doing, unless I'm getting paid for it. I can assure you a major company wouldn't take the risk of stealing a photo without the photographer's permission. What people in my position actually do is they find the image online, take it without asking anybody and design over it: there is nothing illegal about that because I'm not selling it. That's how people build their portfolios. That would be my next option; I wouldn't ask anybody. I'll just find the image online, design over it and put it on my site as a sample portfolio, and the photographer would never find out about it anyway.

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post #5 of 13
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I saw the video, and see the photo has become a cult image, while he's got paid only once, which is unfortunate. Here are a few things I don't understand: His part for legal action. If he has the money to pursue legal action, then probably he can't speak about legal action on video, because of legal issues on revealing his legal action. But, perhaps he doesn't have the finances to take legal action, which is typical and unfortunate situation that shows the poorer you are the lesser your rights are. If poor people on the streets could afford to represent themselves, then they wouldn't be homeless on the streets.

 

And also notice that many of his photographs were actually modified. Keep in mind modifying of photos is not entirely illegal. There are degrees of modification that are within the copyright violation, or outside the borders of it. Do you think Obama and Osama's family are getting paid royalties for each of their photos being modified and put on t-shirts, illustrations, bumper stickers, caricatures, or spraypainted on the streets? Also ideas are not copyrighted. If I have a good idea, and I share it with somebody, and the person profits from my original idea, then I can't do anything about it.

 

My idea for designing the image is not for profit, but to showcase my skills. Every person that gets a job in graphic design essentially has to showcase portfolio with mockup designs or designs for real clients: that's how you get selected.

 

I checked online for photography & graphic design mockups copyrights, and the list goes on and on. I actually spent well over two hours today on this issue. And while I feel sorry that person got ripped off, I still feel I should not be paying for a photo that I'm not profiting from, in the same way the company that sees my mockup design shouldn't be able to profit from my designed piece that is only displayed to them as a mockup and showcase of my skills. They can profit from it, if they liked my piece, stole it without contacting me, slapped their corporate logo somewhere on it, and started selling that. But serious big companies are not about to risk their reputation, only for trying to save themselves some money by not paying the designer of the image.

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 Do you think Obama and Osama's family are getting paid royalties for each of their photos being modified and put on t-shirts, illustrations, bumper stickers, caricatures, or spraypainted on the streets?

They most likely don't, but by the book they should. Having my photo (as photo I took, or as photo of me) on t-shirt goes clearly under commercial use. This means you need to have permission from person on photo. So yes, most likely they don't get royalties, but they don't get them just because they are not going after every street "artist" printing t-shirts.
 

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I still feel I should not be paying for a photo that I'm not profiting from.

Well that is your right. I totally agree with this. But only as long as you don't take my photo use it and say "i still feel I don't need to pay for it". If I give you my photo for this fine, but if I (or anyone else) doesn't give you explicit permission, it really doesn't matter what you feel.

post #7 of 13

James (OP)-  Primoz (who is a commercial sports photographer) said it best.  

There is plenty of stock photo sites that will sell you a suitable picture at a very reasonable cost.  Consider it as an entry cost to the business.  Asking for royalty-free stock-quality photos here may seem like a clever idea, but that's just not cool...

 

post #8 of 13

You don't even show us your website, your work, but you want ours for free... nonono2.gif

post #9 of 13
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Here are samples of work I've done:

2D: http://i56.tinypic.com/2r44orl.jpg

and 3D: http://i56.tinypic.com/14d22hi.jpg

I'd like to combine 2D and 3D work for this project. The photo + 2D typography, and 3D will be the punch out text element.. something like Snow, Snowboard, Ride, Fly, Ski, etc. Don't really know what the trendy words are in snowboarding and skiing.

 

I just thought of this recently: If I'm using somebody's photo, I'd gladly put the person's name on the designed image, but then it has to be a paid work on freelance basis for promotion of a snowboarder or skier I'm doing. So, instead of Ride, Fly, Ski, it would be person xxxxxxx.

 

I already started searching for free stock photos, and found some images that I can work with... so, I'd be glad to close this thread down, because of all the skepticism I see. Here's a line from a free stock photo website on how I may and may not use their images:

 

May be used "In digital format on websites, multimedia presentations, broadcast film and video, cell phones."

May not be used: "SELLING AND REDISTRIBUTION OF THE IMAGE IS STRICTLY FORBIDDEN! DO NOT SHARE THE IMAGE...!

 

Where they say "do not share the image," they seem to contradict themselves; if I can use the image for "multimedia (graphic design) presentation" then I am emailing the URL or the image for promotional purposes... well, then I am sharing the image.

 

Last thing, and we can close this thread because I rest my case after this: When I took graphics and photography classes at school over a decade ago, and all of us students were building our portfolios, when the project was collage, photo manipulation, or whatever else, we didn't take out our credit cards and start purchasing stock photos online... instead we found the photos free online, or we scanned them from print material: And that's how portfolios are being build. That is accepted practice.

 

Oh, I should remove my avatar, because it's a photo I stole online.

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instead we found the photos free online, or we scanned them from print material: And that's how portfolios are being build. That is accepted practice.

Excuse me??? Scanning photo from print material is accepted practice??? And they promote this as "perfectly fine practice" in your schools??? No wonder world and understanding of copyright and intellectual property is where it is. Scanning copyrighted work is same as using digital copyrighted work without permission/payment. It really doesn't matter if it's scanned from newspaper or downloaded from web.

Finding free photos on web is ok... as long as we are talking about photos which are put on web and cleared for free usage by author. When we start talking about "free" photos which are on web like, I found it on web, so it's free for me, it's same thing as this what I wrote before.

 

post #11 of 13
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Let's drop the age from college students to children in school. Does the art teacher in school who hands out magazines for the children to clip pictures and make collages tell the children, "Now kids, before we start cutting and making our collages, ask your parents for their credit card numbers, so we can pay royalties to those people that are on the pictures you are cutting to make the collages." Did the kid making the collage, profit from it? No. It just gets hanged on the wall of the school as example work, and that's it. Now go forward 10 years later: College portfolio work is for showcasing your skill to get a job. Students pay their schools to enroll in the graphics and photography classes, not to be supplying the stock photo industry with more cash. The stock photo industry would be incredibly profitable industry if all of those 30 students per class for every school, and for every school project started buying images that they are only using for portfolios to get jobs.

 

The keyword what we're looking for is -- is the person doing work for profit or not. Certainly, in this heavy-duty unfair capitalism we live in, it's very hard to be trusting anybody... so I can understand that others are mistrusting me for my initial post. I've been burned too by work I've done that I haven't got paid. That's where contracts come.

 

One of the sites for royalty free images stated that their images "can be used for school projects": I can't find the link. I am assuming that by school project they also mean building of portfolio at school so you can get a job. Certainly the free images are not pro-looking, but the last sharp-looking SLR photo I saw of a snowboarder was $40 for the large size, at the last stock photo site I checked.

post #12 of 13

meh, 

 

my only point was good luck finding a pro to donate photos to you...  Typically, when posting on photo forums or the photo forum of a ski site, it is often brought up that giving photos away degrades not only the art, but the ability to be a professional paid photographer.  The moment you begin giving something away, you de-value the craft...


So, it is not looked upon kindly by other photogs.  Stock imagery exists for you, for this...

 

I appreciate your enthusiasm to use something original, also a nice gesture to give photo credit...

 

I wonder why you choose ski/snowboard subject matter if you are seemingly unfamiliar with the culture?

 

I can appreciate portfolio building, I can appreciate the good intent you have...  Your work is interesting, especially the 3d link... 

 

My link to the stolen scream was to demonstrate what can happen.  Truly, an artist does not create for money.  Truly, a professional, needs to make money.

 

Good luck.  Come back and show us what you created.  I'm interested.

post #13 of 13

Well if you like it or not, "doing portfolio to get you a job" can't really be considered as non-profit type of work ;) You will have helluva lot of profit out of this, if things go right way, don't you agree with this? ;) And one suggestion from someone who is in business where intelectual property and copyrights play quite a big role. Also your wanted job in in this area, so people, even if they have no connection to photography, look at this similar way, since on the end, they also produce author work, which can easily be stolen... just like photos. Normally in our business don't want to see people stealing our work, and we (at least in general) respect other people's work. So in general, you would do much better with your own photo (or if you find free photo legally), even if it's sh**y photo, then you would do with great photo, for which they would know you didn't aquire it legal way. They won't be watching your portfolio based on photo, you will use as "background". They will be watching it as what your ideas are. So you will do much more for yourself, if you will be using legally aquired material, even if it's worse quality.

 

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