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Product: 2010/2011 PM Gear 183 Hybrid FAT BRO 

Length Tested: All season long ;) 

Dimensions/Turn Radius:  136.5/112/120 @ 33m radius, 70/295 tip rocker rise/run, with minimal tail rocker, not a twin tip 

Camber: Traditional w/ tip/tail rocker as described above, hybrid carbon fiber/fiberglass layup over full Aspen core.

Binding: Marker Baron, mounted on the line

 

Mount point:   Recommended mount point

 

Environment & Conditions:  Everything imaginable that an east coast year can throw at you, plus a Utah trip in which we got hammered.  Skied in literally every condition I can imagine.  

 

Location of Test: Various Vermont ski hills but mostly Magic Mountain or the Snow Bowl, many skintracks along the Green Mountain spine and Utah's little and Big Cottonwood Canyons.  

 

Number of Runs:  Hundreds and hundreds.  

 

Snow Conditions:  Anything and everything...  Utah blower, Vermont powder, chopped pow, mank, crust, ice, windbuff, slush, groomed, frozen doll heads, rocks/grass.  

 

Demo or Own:  Own

 

 

Tester Info:

 

Username:  Do Work  a.k.a. Tits McGee

Age: 28

Height/Weight: 5'9", 170lbs

Ski Days/Season:  around 80

Years Skiing: 7ish?    

Aggressiveness:  Competitor

Current Quiver:  183 FAT BROs, 180 Moment Tahoes, (sold everything else and currently in quiver transition period wink.gif)

Home Area:  Magic Mountain, VT (WOOT WOOOOOOOOOOOT!)  

Preferred Terrain:  bumps, off-piste, trees, hucks, BC

 

 

Review:

 

Wow.  WOW.  

 

Let me preface this by saying I beat these skis this season like a readheaded stepchild with a fresh mouth- mostly on an EC mountain known for claiming skis and that includes hucking my meat on a comp course to rocks, roots and stumps...  Not one core shot.  One deep groove, but nowhere near the core.  Bravo to the 2mm edges and bases, they're bomber in my book!      

 

This ski combines a ton of things I like.  So much so that I sold two pairs of skis I swore I'd never get rid of:  My Billy Goats and my 183 Euro BROs.  First of all, they are extremely light for their size.  I will edit for weight numbers when I have a chance to ping Pat but they're right around 4lbs per ski- despite their bigger size they feel lighter than my "skinny" 183s underfoot.  The flex is I'd say semi stiff, but it's a pretty round flex with just a smaller section of the tip that seems to soften up.  It has traditional camber underfoot, but not a ton of it.  When skiing, it's strange because they have a great combination- they're light yet super stable, and you get the feeling of a solid footing at all times but still easy to unweight and whip around very quickly.  The camber underfoot and the big sidecut let these babies really shine when you open 'em up.  They love open face GS turns just like the old 183s, but the tip rocker lets you pop into smaller turns so much easier- the initiation really is much smoother and it made them much more playful of a ski along with the snap of the hybrid layup.  They have become my go-to for everything not super hard snow.  When I went to Utah for touring/resort pow, these are the one pair of skis I brought with me and they did me well everywhere I took them.  

 

IN POW:  Pretty much the shiz.  If you like a traditional sidecut and camber feel but are looking for something to float, this might be THE SKI.  You can ski forward in all but the blowiest blower, and it makes for a very floaty yet familiar feel in fresh powder.  The rearward mount really gives you freedom to stand up and swivel or get way forward and rail depending on the conditions and your style.  Easy to bang out little poppy bumpish turns and then open up to big smooth arcs or vice versa.  I wouldn't call them super swively- I would reserve that term for a more pintailed ski- these are simply very easy to initiate and dial in turns while maintaining a more traditional turn shape.  For this design, I have come to feel like 112 underfoot is perfect.  Gives you the ability to plane out with more speed but you can go deep when you want to crank turns- it really lets you do everything in pow predictably.  Only in Utardia did I wish I had more waist but I was still able to pop completely out of the pow on the transition with speed, so it's not like it was wallowing either.    

 

IN CHOP:  It skies really well.  It doesn't bulldoze through stuff like the regular 183s did, but the tip rocker and flex have a great ability of crashing through stuff and smoothing what's left out with little deflection.  I didn't find myself wishing I was on another ski halfway through a pow day like some of my friends on super pintailed or R/R skis were.  The lightness shined here as you're able to toss them around as well, but I didn't get too much deflection unless it was SUPER manked out.  Basically, just like in the pow it gives you options- use it's lightness to pop around and air off the chunder chunks or get all Bode and hammer through it, the ski will let you do either and although it does not charge with quite the foot stomping authority of the original size, it does the job pretty damn well and the sidecut allows for big powerful turns.

 

ON GROOMED:  Surprisingly well.  My only caveat with these on groomed snow is the tips when freshly tuned they feel borderline hooky they're so eager to initiate, which kind of bothered me on long fast traverses or runouts at first.  Once I had a chance to get a few days in though, they detuned and opened right up to buttery goodness.  The turns feel super solid once you get up some speed.  Not super fast edge to edge, but not sluggish or "flat" feeling and they are VERY predictable.  No way would I consider them "roughing it" back to the liftline from your favorite pow stash, they are a pleasure on groomers- the more forwardness and speed you employ the moreso this is true as well.       

 

ON ICE:  Blue ice, baby dollheads and windscoured screecicles are all not cool on these skis.  There were several times this year when I had to make a quick turn, emergency exits or the like through or on ice.  They made it happen, but they didn't like it.  Hockey stop type emergency arrests will be met with hopping chatter and removed fillings.  Basically they will get you through it, but not in a manner that will make you feel like shit's cool/let's do it again/etc...  But I feel like you already knew that.  

 

TOURING:  I had a chance to use these many times over the course of this season for touring in the Green Mountains as well as the Wasatch.  Have to say, this is a great ski to tour with.  There may be lighter skis out there but very few can charge it like these.  There may be skis that are better in pow, but they will not be as versatile or predictable as these.  It's basically a great ski for touring because it's light enough to actually want to bring it uphill, great for all the conditions you WANT to find, yet it's construction details allow it to be uber functional for all the conditions you will doubtlessly have to go through to get to the goods.  I had no problem with tail clips slipping off and the new Lhasa-esque tip profile holds a skin loop well.     

 

IN BUMPS:  Friggin' awesome.  No, really.  They're no dragonslayers but I know a lot of you fat ski skiers love to hammer powder bumps.  You know who you are.  Hell yeah.  Get some.  

 

I really like to ski trees when the pow is powdery, but I felt like the original 183s were just too much- between the flex and the rocker the new hybrid 183 fats are just so easy to whip around and slash like crazy.  It's just so damn perfect for trees, hucks, and other dynamic terrain where you could have to do any move at any time.  They're ready.  

 

Conclusion:  A great all around pow ski that gives up VERY little elsewhere on the mountain.  Basically a lighter Lhasa Pow with a slightly wider tail for better hard snow manners and a more traditional turn shape and feel.  Think Lhasa + Euro 183 = 183 FAT BRO.    

 

 

 And because I think a picture's worth a thousand words, here's a few of me enjoying them this year.  

 

Great for big open turns in pow

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Great for the trees

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They work in Utah!

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They work on steep variable conditions in BC chutes/runouts, and yes they handle the occasional dog or two with ease.  

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So easy to turn in pow!

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Seriously, anyone considering them hit me up I'd be glad to answer any questions you might have.  I would gladly be your enabler...  If they weren't all sold out already!  If I were you I'd get in line for next year's run, I have a feeling they will go quickly!    

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Oh, and this is what they look like fwiw.  

 

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Gorgeous if you ask me!  

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Nice review DW. If they made you give up the BG's, must be impressive in tight spaces. I'm beginning to look around for something like this, owned a Lhasa 186 back when the carbon was a coupla strips. The two things I didn't like about them was a touch too much liveliness in the front at speed in heavy chop or crud unless they were well over on edge, and the bad bases. Assume the base prep is old news now. So would you say these 183 fats are damper, or just as lively but more stabile, or different altogether than the Lhasas in chop? Also, am I correct that this is the new full carbon sheet on top? 

 

P.S. PM lists the 183's as 3.9 lbs, 1758 gm. Can't tell from syntax if that's the 99 mm version or yours, suspect the 99's. 

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Nice review DW. If they made you give up the BG's, must be impressive in tight spaces. I'm beginning to look around for something like this, owned a Lhasa 186 back when the carbon was a coupla strips. The two things I didn't like about them was a touch too much liveliness in the front at speed in heavy chop or crud unless they were well over on edge, and the bad bases. Assume the base prep is old news now. So would you say these 183 fats are damper, or just as lively but more stabile, or different altogether than the Lhasas in chop? Also, am I correct that this is the new full carbon sheet on top? 

 

P.S. PM lists the 183's as 3.9 lbs, 1758 gm. Can't tell from syntax if that's the 99 mm version or yours, suspect the 99's. 



Yes they really surprised me in tight places, even one day when I forgot my Lange FR130s at home on a pow day I was able to ski them bell to bell, most of the day in the trees with 55 flex beyond-low-cuff rental boots and still had a blast.  There might be a video of that floating around, I'll see if I can find it...  I honestly have not skied the Lhasas, but I owned the 183 Euro Bros which hammered chop's face in.  I was honestly expecting a bigger compromise moving up in width and putting the fat shovel on it but they actually do really well.  Put side by side next to UNM's 186 Lhasas the 183 fats have literally the same exact rocker profile and tip shape, but is just a smidge smaller all around and with the same sidecut as the regular 183.  Think wider 183 body, Lhasa face.  To try to answer your question as best I can, I identify with what you're saying- the light weight and big shovel do tend to get deflected on heavy mank chop days, but on edge they power through well.  I wish I could compare directly to the Lhasa in terms other than dimensions but maybe next season.  Yes you are correct in that it has full sheets of cf.  I think next year's topsheets will show the carbon weave, so that would be cool.  As for the bases, I've had no problems whatsoever other than the red bases being very thirsty.  Sexy, but thirsty.  I like the white arrow down the middle too.  Clean and classy.  I'll msg Pat about the weight, because I want to know too.  Putting some Dyna classics on them this coming season, I can't escape the unbearable lightness ;)  

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This one time...  At band camp...  I forgot my Lange FR130s at home on a pow day I was able to ski them bell to bell, most of the day in the trees with 55 flex beyond-low-cuff rental boots and still had a blast.  There might be a video of that floating around, I'll see if I can find it...


Found it.  I'm in the snazzy pants around :45ish, some fun little woods action and some wide open floatage at the end.  I was stressing skiing in uggs at first, but it turned out just fine! 

 

 

  

 

 

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