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post #31 of 43

Just sayin'

 

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post #32 of 43
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Originally Posted by tch View Post

If you are going BC, definitely go more substantial rather than less.  The extra support and stiffness of a good boot will cause negligible difficulty while skiing on the flats and uphills, and provide much-desired assistance on the downhills and sketchy sections.

My own experience is that overly-soft, non-supportive boots cause more people to decide that xc skiing is too hard than any other reason.

 

For instance, I think that Alpina 1550 boots are the minimum; for BC, I much prefer the Alpina 2050 with a higher, plastic exo-skeleton and a ratchet closure.

 

Thanks. That's what I was thinking.  Do these need to be as tight as alpine boots, or just comfortable?

 

 



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Originally Posted by tromano View Post

 

 

Also, MTB trails are generally going to be pretty flat from any skiing perspective. There are plenty of fun MTB descents that I have to kick and pole to get down on XC skis where I could easily cruise much faster on a bike with basically no effort. Turns don't seem necessary unless its a steep downhill(from a biking perspective).

 

 

The trails I planned on skiing are pretty flat from a MTB perspective too, so DH speeds were not really a concern.

post #33 of 43

tromano/RPTW:  Sorry.. a terminology thing.  "Standard" or "normal" xc bindings (like NNN or SNS) are lighter and more flexible.  Good for performance skiing in track and light-duty untracked skiing.  "BC" (backcountry) is a flavor of the NNN or SNS system that is designed for more up/down, ungroomed, untracked, bushwhacking kind of skiing. 

 

What I was saying is that if you are going to go the NNN-BC system (RPTW says he has NNN-BC bindings), then I personally think it's better to buy beefy boots to complement the generally beefier and more substantial element of the BC bindings and skis. 

 

ANd finally, 75 mm binding system is one do-it-all system; what boot you buy depends on what your intended use is.

post #34 of 43

RPTW: xc boots don't have to be form-fitting.  They need to be comfortable (you're really working your feet!) and supportive.  Tight is not necessarily the same. 

post #35 of 43
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Originally Posted by tch View Post

RPTW: xc boots don't have to be form-fitting.  They need to be comfortable (you're really working your feet!) and supportive.  Tight is not necessarily the same. 


icon14.gif  this is especially true for 3-pin/75mm, where the forefoot is the hinge.

 

post #36 of 43

XC?  Why bother.  It's even boring when you're stoned.

 

post #37 of 43
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Originally Posted by wooley12 View Post

And if those bike trails are at all steep and narrow, learn the seemingly lost art of the pole drag.  smile.gif Seriously.



Thanks for the tip!

post #38 of 43
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And if those bike trails are at all steep and narrow, learn the seemingly lost art of the pole dragsmile.gif Seriously.

 

I was reading a piece in a magazine about some guys alpine touring who skinned to the top of a big run, and were getting ready to ski down when some guy on long, skinny classic XC skis arrives and proceeds to disappear down the steep slope, with both poles dragging between his legs, I guess acting as a rudder and perhaps brake? This I guess is an extreme version of what you're talking about?  ;-)

 

I like to read old skiing books, and picked this one up at the library recently. State of the art, 1958!

 

 

Most of the techniques presented therein are not embraced much these days for alpine skiing, but snowplow/wedge, stem and step turns are exactly what I'm working on when I have the nerve not to just cut the steepness of a slope by traversing. I'm on an NNN-BC setup, with older long (203cm) waxless skis with metal edges, and they are fun! But until such time I get comfortable enough to try parallel or maybe telemark turns it's old school for me.

 

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Originally Posted by kvd23 View Post

XC?  Why bother.  It's even boring when you're stoned.

 

It doesn't have to be all about the downhill and adrenalin, but if you can't enjoy just being out in quiet, snowy nature, then yea, fergeddaboutit. Different strokes.

post #39 of 43
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Originally Posted by jc-ski View Post


 

Most of the techniques presented therein are not embraced much these days for alpine skiing, but snowplow/wedge, stem and step turns are exactly what I'm working on when I have the nerve not to just cut the steepness of a slope by traversing. I'm on an NNN-BC setup, with older long (203cm) waxless skis with metal edges, and they are fun! But until such time I get comfortable enough to try parallel or maybe telemark turns it's old school for me.

 

For your next set of metal-edged XCD skis, see if you can have the bindings mounted CRS instead of balance point.    

post #40 of 43
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Originally Posted by cantunamunch View Post

 

For your next set of metal-edged XCD skis, see if you can have the bindings mounted CRS instead of balance point.    

 

Center of Running Surface?

 

Don't have skis here now to measure, but I'm guessing that would give a more forward mount, and as with alpine skis more responsive turning?

 

How does a CRS mount affect stride and glide?

post #41 of 43
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Originally Posted by jc-ski View Post

 

Center of Running Surface?

 

Don't have skis here now to measure, but I'm guess that would give a more forward mount, and as with alpine skis more responsive turning?

 

How does a CRS mount affect stride and glide?

 

Yes and yes and it depends on the flex and design of the kick pocket/scales - softish  skis with kick areas longer than ~50 cm shouldn't have a problem, and most XCD skis will fit that pattern.

post #42 of 43

Pole Drag. I toured with a Nordic/Tele instructor today who said he never heard of it. From my 1977 E.P.S.T.I certification manual.

 

I wear baggier pants, stand a little taller. and prefer the between the legs technique.

 

post #43 of 43

"I've got to ski down to the Winter Carnival ASAP and set up the Mustache Ride Booth!"

 

Come to think of it guess those techniques have been around for a while...

 

 

 

 

Seriously, will be fun to try that out - thx for sharing!  icon14.gif

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