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Magnum or Titan? - Head Supershapes

Poll Results: Which Head Supershape?

Poll expired: May 13, 2011  
  • 0% (0)
    Titan
  • 100% (2)
    Magnum
2 Total Votes  
post #1 of 9
Thread Starter 

Opinions on which ski i should get? (I prefer the Magnums by what i have read)

 

- Looking for great carver

- Good on ice

 

My Info;

- Intermediate High

- 175cm

- ~66kilos

- Skiing in ice

 

Cheers!

 

Also; http://www.sportchek.ca/product/index.jsp?productId=4357085

Are these the 2010 or 2011 model and what's the difference between both models?

post #2 of 9

Leo, can I vote "neither?" I've owned a slew of Heads, have skied the Magnum though not the Titan, so not a hater. But you keep emphasizing ice, and these two are not optimized for ice. Yes, with a 1/3 tune, a plate, and solid skier mechanics (which you may or may not have at your level), they'll be fine. But that's different from being optimized for ice. Fischer Progressor 8/9's, Blizzard G-Power's, Supersonics or 8.1's, Dynastar Course Ti's, Stockli CX's or SX's, Volkl's Tigershark's, will all give better feedback and feel more planted on ice, less effort to manage them. 

 

OTOH, if you're worried about handling ice, but actually stay away from it, Magnums will be a great all around groomer zoomer, and the KERS will give it a serious kick at the end of the turn if you like that. The Titan will be weirdly good in variable crud that includes patches of hardpack. These are fine skis. But they are not fine ice skis. OK? 

 

In all honesty, your concerns and mention of level suggests 1) that lessons would aid you more on ice than any particular ski, and 2) The Magnum or Titan might turn out to be a handful if you find yourself in the backseat. Which many high intermediates do from time to time. As would a number of the ice skates mentioned above. The Stockli CX's, Progressor 8's, Tigersharks, or Supersonics will be the most forgiving. 

 

 

 

post #3 of 9

"Great carver, good on ice" - this is the definition of a race ski. Real race skis can be a challenge for an intermediate to handle in that they can be fairly unforgiving. Beyond's list are "citizen racers" and a good place to look - Atomic (D2 GS) and Elan (GSX) also make good skis of this type. Look more to a GS type than an SL as they will be more forgiving for a skier at your level. One thing to be aware of is that as a ski's groomed ice performance increases, its versatility for bumps/offpiste tends to decrease.

post #4 of 9

Of the 2, the magnum is more what you're looking for.  I've only demoed the Titans for a few hours, but if I were to buy a Head ski that was 78 underfoot with an eye toward reasonable carving and some ice handling ability, then I would find an old Monster im78 or a pair of pre-flowride peak 78s (first year of production.)

 

The link you posted shows this season's magnum which is essentially the previous year's ski plus the new KERS technology (marked by the big yellow patch on the ski) which nudges you out of the turn when it senses a release (except at low speed.)  As mentioned by beyond, if you happen to be in the back seat when this nudge occurs it can be awkward.

 

In the Head line, the classic red supershape (66mm underfoot vs 72 for the magnum) is stronger on ice.  The KERS effect on this ski is much stronger than on the Titan.  The downside is it is hard to find in North America this season. 

 

Many people in this market niche like the Fischer Progressors mentioned by beyond.

 

With any of the skis mentioned in this thread, tune will play an important role when ice is in the picture.  For grip in ice, you'll want a side bevel up around 3 degrees.  You'll want your edges sharp.  Depending on what "high intermediate" means, you may also want a forgiving base bevel of 1 degree to reduce the ski's responsiveness to small inputs ... even though it it's fairly common to run these sorts of skis at 0.5 or 0.7 degrees.

 

If you want to carve these sorts of skis on "ice" or ice, consider taking some lessons from an instructor who grew up skiing in a racing program.  S/he will have a different feel for and attitude towards edges and firm snow than your rank and file instructor. 

post #5 of 9

I bought apair of 177 cm Titans on my last ski trip the fist week of April. I had been skiing on the front side on a pair of 170 cm Head SS Speeds. Regarding ice I really have not skied in icy conditions with this ski. I wil say, the 177 cm Titan feels like a really "big" ski compared to the 170 cm SS Speeds. Like the Titan but its kind of a "batle ship" comapred to the more narrow Head SS series.

post #6 of 9

I'll add another voice to the chorus here.  I own the 2008 SS Magnum in 170cm, and have skied the 2011 SS Titan in 177cm.  On ice, I prefer the Magnum with a good tune.  If all I cared about was skiing on ice, I wouldn't want either of them, though.

 

I'm a little confused at why you seem so obsessed with ice grip.  No ski is magic on ice.  Race-stock skis with really good tunes are as close to magic as it gets, but those wouldn't be a typical recommendation for someone of your declared ability level.

 

I'd suggest you consider the normal Supershape or the Fischer Progressors recommended above.

 

Also, I second the recommendation for lessons from somebody with a race background.  Racers are the only skiers I've ever met who actually get excited when the whole mountain is bulletproof.  You can learn a lot from them about how to ski those conditions well.

 

Sharpedges is right about the ski identification.  The ones you linked are the 2011 model with KERS.  There seems to be a mix of people who don't notice a difference and people who feel a huge difference.  I haven't had the right conditions yet when I've skied the KERS models to get a good feel for it myself.

post #7 of 9

Your weight is good for the magnum, ie not too heavy. It is not an ice carver. Listen to what people are telling you.

It is also not "too much ski". It is really soft.

"Magnum" is a misnomer. The other skis mentioned will be better on ice.

btw, a plate and a 1 deg base/3 deg side will not do much.

It comes with a decent plate. I've skied it in 1/2 /3. Having said that, the factory tune is often ghastly with inconsistent, monstrous base bevels. They should be stone ground from new. Or not, and have a really crappy ski on ice.

 

post #8 of 9

You want a great all around groomer ski that handles ice.

 

Atomic D2 non-FIS GS is the ticket!

 

 I own the 179cm 18.4 meter radius. you will not believe the edge hold this ski has, butstill  retains a user friendly longitudinal flex. The tip is softer and easy to bend, but once the control deck kicks in as the tip bends the ski progressively beefens up.

 

I own the following skis and more:

 

Head Supershape Speed 177m (16.6M radius)

Head i.SL Rd 166

Head i.m88 175cm

Head Mojo 94 180 cm

Atomic 209 Super G

 

I never skied on the Supershape Speed at all  this year or the i.SL RD and only 1/2 day on the Monster 88

 

It was the D2 for Groomers and the MOJO for POW~

 

Try the Atomic D2, It 'll knock your socks off. And as a bonus, the best factory tune I have ever experienced. (A true 1/3 , I measured it!) 

 

Heads as a general rule come with a terrible tune. Too much base bevel, not enough side edge bevel.

 

The Magnum and Titan are going to lack ice hold which can be somewhat improved if you tune them to a 1/3 or and even then they don't hold a candle to the D2 GS

 

 


Edited by Atomicman - 4/25/11 at 8:00pm
post #9 of 9



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Originally Posted by Tog View Post

Your weight is good for the magnum, ie not too heavy. It is not an ice carver. Listen to what people are telling you.

It is also not "too much ski". It is really soft.

"Magnum" is a misnomer. The other skis mentioned will be better on ice.

btw, a plate and a 1 deg base/3 deg side will not do much.

It comes with a decent plate. I've skied it in 1/2 /3. Having said that, the factory tune is often ghastly with inconsistent, monstrous base bevels. They should be stone ground from new. Or not, and have a really crappy ski on ice.

 



 

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