Originally Posted by joeshoto
Teton, I am certainly not implying ever that I am an expert on the level you are. That doesnt appear anywhere in my writing and a quick read of my completely geeked out profile makes that clear for all to see. And you are the exception to the rule as you are an instuctor and your ski ethic is established.
Thanks I guess, I am not IMO a super expert. I consider my skiing to be good solid journeyman level skiing, but I see REALLY good skiers everyday. So far I am happy to say I have never had a student out-ski me, but that could happen anytime. Hopefully I will still have something to offer this student when it happens.
I am not backing down when I say that I am not a high level skier but I can ski very well and I love it with all of my heart. Not for the status, as I have no status in skiing as you do, but for the enrichment it brings me and my family and friends.
Status in skiing is about useless. When you get right down to it skiing is little more than a stupid human trick. The value in skiing is in how YOU feel about it. I'm not sure what "status" I have. I'm good at my job and people like my lessons, but I could be very easily replaced.
I dont jump anything, I dont ski backcountry, steeps are just not fun. In fact, when last I was at Jackson, I didnt even ski the hobacks. And to you, this leaves me without a vote. In fact, that is what is so upsetting here, you and others at your level feel/state that I, and others like me, shouldnt have a say or any opinion at all.
I don't jump much and mostly ski inbounds these days as I am not allowed to take the public OB and the bulk of my skiing time is spent working. Of course you have a "vote" or a right to your opinion. You know we all have opinions and assholes and they both stink. I actually learned a good trick about how to carry my skis from a retarded kid that I was volunteering with. I had never though about it and when he showed it to me, I was surprised that it was a good tip and it underscored the fact that I should be prepared to learn from anybody. I currently use it with my guests who seem to have trouble managing their equipment.
And my theme here resonates that point, unwavering.
But we do and we are judging you because you are funny. You are funny because you think that skiing is about keeping up with you. You think skiing is about your perfect technique, and it is far from that.
How I wish that I had perfect technique! I am actually not a hardcore technique instructor. Some of my best lessons have focused on tactics and how to get the most out of the technique that my students already have. Solid technique is an awesome thing to have, but is not the end all in recreational skiing. As to keeping up with me, see my comments above. There are plenty of skiers around who can smoke me and some of them are women!
Free skiing is not about greatness as you define it, it is about how I and others like me define it because we define it for ourselves and we dont wait for your approval. That is, I define for myself whatever I want to define it as, I am not subject to your opinion. You are not that kind of teacher. It is close felt recreation it does not define most people as what they are. skiing is not what I am, but I define what skiing is for me.
I'm having trouble parsing this paragraph out, but I "think" I AM that kind of teacher. IMO the best skier is the one who has the most fun!
I do have an opinion, and it is valid whether you subscribe to it or not. Infact, your subscription to my opiniion would disqualify it by the very nature of your opinion. That is why the ski corportation has to have such a tight reign on teaching. They have to first guard against this "take it or leave it" attitude so prevalent among instuctors prior to the big corporate push to fix the customer service at ski resorts of two decades ago.
Again I'm not sure what your driving at here. The Corp. doesn't get that involved in my lesson plans. I have demonstrated my competence to my supervisors and they trust me to teach what I feel is appropriate. I certainly don't feel their "tight reign". That would change if people started to complain, but I tend to get lot's of return students and positive comments about my lessons. I really try hard to determine what my students are looking for in a lesson and tailor my "lesson plan" to deliver it to them. Sometimes their expectations are not in-line with their abilities and I have to explain this to them. I have never had a student that wanted a "bump lesson" for example get mad when I wouldn't take them into a bump run because IMO they lacked the necessary fundamental skills. Instead, we worked on the skills deficiency and made progress towards their goals. To me this is customer service.
Teton, you cant disqualify opinion by absurdum. This dont "ram advice down the throats of unwilling" level you bring to my statements is absurd on its face as it is obviously not what I am talking about and you know it.
I hope I know it, but that's not how you make it sound.
There are a million ways to do what I am talking about but you say that you wont do any of them. And every time I ski, especially out west, neither do your buds give a crap about anyone who is not at their level. That is sick and stupid.
Pretty broad statement about me and "my buds". I find the Bro-Brahs a bit annoying, but mostly funny. Kind of how I feel about you BTW. I do give a crap about everyone who comes to ski at my area. I want them all to have a great time and come back soon. Maybe take a few lessons. When I got secret shopped this year I got a paragraph at the bottom of the report that said what an enthusiastic ambassador for the area I was. I probably do more of what you are driving at than most. I am not pushy about it though. I genuinely enjoy meeting people from all over the world and talking to them about all kinds of things. I don't give out much unsolicited advice though.
And believe me we think it is funny, you just dont have a way to tap it because of where your head is at. But the corporation you work for knows all about it. Take heed. The helmets they will make you wear now are part of a uniform set to keep you and your buds in line because you could not do it yourself. They dont care a damn about your safety. See it, know it, live it. It is all over what you wrote to me.
I made my decision about helmets years ago. I am staying out of the helmet "debate" regarding the new policy. It doesn't affect me because I already choose to use one. Your right, the Corp. isn't doing it for our safety. They are doing it to capitulate to the WY DOE and the insurance companies. I wish helmets helped as much as some people seem to think they do.
Infact Jackson, in the 70s, used to the place to go when we wanted to not be in the Breckenridge, Vail, Winter Park Real Estate crap. Snowbird was always stuck up in that relaxed out of the way sort of "I am better than everyone so dont talk to the new guy" way. And Alta, well, it is still like that. But Jackson didnt used to be like that, although it is now.
Actually I think the "Tude" was much worse when I arrived in 89.
And you are part of it and that is why you dont see the pecking order problem. Every resort has the pecking order. You would do yoruself well to see it. Maybe then you could help to extinguish it.
I don't see it because I don't participate in it. That has to be the "best" way to extinguish it... Don't you think? There will always be some individuals who need to feel special like the hatchling Bro-Brah wannabes that I mentioned earlier. I don't think it's as established and pervasive here as you make it out to be.
In the 80s Jackson started to change and the cool people there noticed in obvious ways. In the early 80s, it was changing over and becoming over developed adn by the late 80s or 90s, people were getting used to the increased plastic and real estate development attitude. By the late 90s we noticed that it too had become plasticized and wrung out so unbefitting of the beautiful environs. And everyone adapted to the new tude. It is now a perfectly planned real estate developmetn like the rest of em now adn very colorado. And with its pecking order. You ask Who is at the top? Who cares, just stop it anyway you can.
But you cant stop it even the least little bit becaseu you are proud to not see it. Silly.
Tell me again how is it that you cant see goofy things skiing by and cant talk about it to those sitting next to you? Oh thats right, it is hard to deal with the public all day. But the problem doesnt exist you say. Hows that?
Oh Yea... I like to have a little fun when something goofy skis by. That doesn't mean that I look down on the Gapers. I have spoken out as an advocate of the Gapers on this forum in the past. I don't find it "hard" to deal with the public all day. It's what my job is about and I love my Job. It feels more natural to me the longer I do it.
I was going to look you up for some instruction but now it is obvious that you have serious disdain for your students so I wouldnt ski with you if you were the last guy on earth that could teach an edge release. BFDIMO.
Sorry you feel that way. I said before that I would be happy to take some runs with you. I wouldn't ski with you all day unless you could "keep up". If you are looking for a lesson and not a handful of quick tips you would need to take a lesson through the SS. I don't know where you get the impression that I have a "serious distain" for my students. I really enjoy working with 99.9% of the people I meet in lessons. Being a Ski Instructor is a terrible way to get a Seasons Pass If you don't love the job and enjoy working with the public, it's just not worth it. I am not "the last guy on earth that can teach an edge release". I hope that you will get the instruction you are looking for even if it's not with me. I would be happy to work with you and hope you at least look me up for a couple of runs if you come here. I am curious about what you are like in person.
People like you shouldnt even be teachers, you just love skiing, you dont give a darn about skiers. Nice representation.
Again... Sorry you got that impression. I strongly disagree and think my posts back me up.
Oh and keep your dumbass challenge to yourself, because the reality is that you obviouisly wouldnt be able to keep up with me.
I never challenged you. Where I live issuing challenges is a good way to get hurt. There is always someone better. My skiing is what it is and I am happy to let it speak for itself. All I was saying is that if someone wants to ski with me, the best way to ensure it is to take a lesson with me. I hope you might reconsider that option. It's really up to you.