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post #31 of 54
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Originally Posted by wildcat hank View Post

I can't report the K2's.  If you can wait for next season skis the ELAN Amphibio is going to be the ski to get.  It will be great one ski quiver.  It has a rocker element and camber all in one. 



I have 09/10 K2 Ob SETHed's and 10/11 (and 11/12) Atomic Access, both of which have camber and rocker. Neither would make a good ice coast one ski quiver. Rockies yes, least coast, no way. (now stand by for obligatory nonsense contrarian viewpoint from usual source).

post #32 of 54
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Originally Posted by snofun3 View Post





I have 09/10 K2 Ob SETHed's and 10/11 (and 11/12) Atomic Access, both of which have camber and rocker. Neither would make a good ice coast one ski quiver. Rockies yes, least coast, no way. (now stand by for obligatory nonsense contrarian viewpoint from usual source).



 

post #33 of 54
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Originally Posted by snofun3 View Post





I have 09/10 K2 Ob SETHed's and 10/11 (and 11/12) Atomic Access, both of which have camber and rocker. Neither would make a good ice coast one ski quiver. but the new elan is only 82mm underfoot and probably would. Rockies no, east coast, for sure(now stand by for obligatory sense able  viewpoint from usual source).



I agree your SO smart.
 

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post #34 of 54
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Originally Posted by tluyster View Post

Just joined, first post, but have read many.

 

I guess everyone needs some info about me before any recommendation can be made. 

 

I live in NYC area, mainly ski east coast (NY and VT).  I try and get out west 1x pr year.  I am 40yrs old, been skiing for past 35yrs and consider myself a true expert.  I am 5'10 and 185lbs.  I like to be forward on the skis, make more short turns than long, but occasionally will just go fast.     

 

I am currently skiing on Salomon X-Scream in 187cm (circe 1999).  I like this ski, but time to get into a more modern ski, something with a little more width. 

 

Today, my skiing is 60% groomed, 20% bumps and 20% glades / anyhting else.  It varies a lot with who I am skiing with.  On a family trip, 80% groomed (still find a way to ski a few bump or glade runs) and with my guy friends, only 20% groomed.  I truly need a versatile all mountain ski.  I'll rent a pow ski when I go out west. 

 

I'M THINKING YOU JUST DESCRIBED THE NEED FOR A NORDICA FIREARROW 80 XBI.  THEY DO EVERYTHING WELL, SOME THINGS - LIKE RIPPING GROOMERS AND CRUD - THEY DO EXCEPTIONALLY WELL.  

 

 

 

My ski boots are old too, but fit real well (zip fit custom liner), so focus is on new skis. 

 

I am asking for some all mountain recommendations for both ski and length.  I want to take advantage of end of season deals, so demo is not an option.  My preference is for a carving ski that can still go in the bumps without too much trouble.     

 

 

     



 

post #35 of 54

How do I post a website?   I tried twice last night.

post #36 of 54

http://amphibio.elanski.co


Edited by wildcat hank - 5/9/11 at 3:50am
post #37 of 54
post #38 of 54

sorry  fat fingers I guess 

http://amphibio.elanskis.com  I think this will work.  then watch this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z3hWs2Pao4A

 

I hope these site will help people include Elan in any all mountain gear talk.

post #39 of 54
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Wow, Two >3 (> means "greater than" - btw) syllable words and you apparently managed to get it. I suppose some of the crowd on the trip helped you. You should ask for help with the response next time though - it's "you're" so smart, a contraction for "you are", not 'your'. Quit while you're only this far behind.

 

 

Id say it the same anyways and its sounds the same.

 

you still dont want to talk about how the Elan is vastly different from the skis you mentioned?

 

 


Edited by BushwackerinPA - 5/10/11 at 1:24pm
post #40 of 54

BushwackerinPA

 

what's your problem.   I don't think the Razor at Stowe would be happy with the way you reply.   If you don't know who the Razor is.  You should ask some of your season Stowe coaches.

 

Hank 

post #41 of 54
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Originally Posted by wildcat hank View Post

BushwackerinPA

 

what's your problem.   I don't think the Razor at Stowe would be happy with the way you reply.   If you don't know who the Razor is.  You should ask some of your season Stowe coaches.

 

Hank 


I actually tried to delete the above post. or at least the last part of it.

 

the deal is Snofun3 should just stop posting. He also didnt take anytime to research a ski before he discounted it. Tells people how bad the east coast is. He called me out first, your quote was the only thing that let me in on it because I have him blocked on here. he would rather point out my spelling mistakes than help anyone out.

 

Snofun is just an internet bullshitter, and someone who hates something(east coast skiing) that he hasnt tried in decades. So someone asks for an all mountain east coast ski and someone who hasnt skied there in decades is going to give him advice? c'mon really?

 

I know razor is ironically he is embracing rockered skis faster than someone like Snofun or most examiners.

 

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post #42 of 54

I have skied the

AC30 for a few years, along with several other ski's.  It is my "go to" ski for ripping it up and suits me just fine all over the mountain.  Steep trees, stomping drops, crud, deep powder, NO SPEED LIMIT.    They are a tad stiff in tight bumps but nothing that you can't deal with, and I wouldn't sacrifice the flex because they rip at high speeds.   A 177 or 184 will be fine,  probably a 177 since you like the bumps and I really don't notice any difference between the two sizes at speed.   If you are a great skier you will love them everywhere. 

k2 aftershock , okay I'm not a K2 fan but was talked into trying the 2011 Aftershock in a 181, and now I am a fan, it was better than the AC 50 because it's a bit softer in the bumps and still rips in all areas.  Soooo.. you may want to give it a try.   

Blizzard 8.1,  liked the AC 30 better and the Aftershock

Rosignals 82 ti,  liked the AC 30 better and the Aftershock

Line prophet 100, fun ski, liked it a lot but overkill on the east coast and not as fun as the ac30 on hardpack but great all mountain ski,

Gotamas,  love them too (skied on them for 6 days) , but obviously same as prophet 100 pro's and cons for east coast.  

 

 

post #43 of 54
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Originally Posted by BushwackerinPA View Post





you are and I have to post because except for exceptional and masochistic skiers. SL skis as all mountain skis anywhere are not a good choice.  You very well may be a another coach at stowe I know and swears by SL skis all the time, but this is still not sound advice.

 

-First I know places you couldnt ski them. Even if your bode himself.....

-I know many places where despite being able to ski them, you would have alot of trouble keeping up with someone else on a real all mountain ski let alone a powder ski

-short skis arent always better in the woods, in fact many days more float and length let you go faster and turn easier at slower and higher speeds

-Sl skis make you lazy you forget how to drive a ski and actually turn it since the sidecut does it for you

-Sl skis are way to FING hard to maintain balance all day long skiing off trail

 

I suggest you post video of you skiing woods or bumps on your SL skis, because anyone who as ever claimed to me that they ski SL skis all the time pretty much has been the suck in the woods or simply doesnt  ski off trail all that much. I have seen low point FIS racers fall apart in the woods on SL sticks only to be redeemed when I find them fatter skis.

 

post a video and prove me wrong.

 

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Bushwacken, maybe people out there are just better skiers then you....     Seriously,,,     



 

post #44 of 54


I can report on the K2 Aftershock and the AC30's,  I have skied both several times and I really liked both of them and would buy either.  the Ac30's are just amazing if you are an aggressize skier, they are like an exstension of my mind, do and go exactly where I want them to.  I have skied the 177 and the 184, liked both, if I were to buy I would get the 177 because it handled just as well at high speed and was better in the bumps (both on the stiff side in the bumps, but nothing that you can't handle).   The Aftershock rips too (not as Amazing as the 30's butt...)  floats a bit more in the powder and a bit softer in the bumps,   You will love either.      I am not a K2 fan, but do like the Aftershock and i am sure I would like many of their other ski's if I tried them.   I am partial to Volkl,and Line.... 

Hope that helps
 

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Originally Posted by dylan7654 View Post

hi everyone...i'm new here.  i just got done reading alot of the posts going back to the original post.  i ski very similar to the orginator of this discussion.  i am also looking to pick up a new pair of sticks very soon because of the great left over deals going on.  i had 4 different skis in mind....the volkl ac30/volkl ac50/k2 aftershock/k2 charger.  i've been researching alot over the past few days and was thinking about going with either the k2 aftershocks or the k2 chargers.  however, after reading all of this i haven't seen anyone reply to this guy about considering the k2's.  is there a reason why most people haven't brought these up?  i thought these were a premier ski?  please inform me and let me know if you think the aftershocks would be better than the chargers?  again, i ski northeast PA and mabey the occasional trip to hunter or elk.  thanks



 

post #45 of 54
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there probably are there were for sure 2 better skiers out of the 20 people at the epic mothers day gathering. There are 100s of people better than me at snowbird but you guys would never think they were better.

 

  my point is the equipment can let people seemingly ski better than "better" skiers. 

 

also sorry for the thread derail to the OP. Just go back to my first post. If you want a blizzard. Go either 8.1, Bushwacker, or Bonafide.

post #46 of 54
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Originally Posted by BushwackerinPA View Post





there probably are there were for sure 2 better skiers out of the 20 people at the epic mothers day gathering. There are 100s of people better than me at snowbird but you guys would never think they were better.

 

  my point is the equipment can let people seemingly ski better than "better" skiers. 

 

also sorry for the thread derail to the OP. Just go back to my first post. If you want a blizzard. Go either 8.1, Bushwacker, or Bonafide.



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I agree, but a great skier can ski the crap out of the backcountry in any gear.  A great skier can figure out any ski in just a couple of turns.   Many of the people on this board skied skinny ski's for decades in the backcountry 66 mm waiste etc and had zero problems.    Fater skis do make it easier, less fatigue, plow through the conditions easier without having to make big adjustments, float way better etc...  but to say that someone can't ski in the trees etc... and to ask for proof ?    So according to your own post, you are probably a level 8 skier, which is fantastic, but keep that in mind when commenting to people(or about people)  who could be a 9 or a 10.   What may or may not work for you is different for everyone else.   Again I am sure you are a great skier, but better skiers do not run into the same problems....   Just watch Bilzzard of Oz!  :)

Was the epic ski gathering held at snowbird?  

 

post #47 of 54



Pallivinchini (spelling?)  is a great bump run and one of my favs when I lived in CO. 

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 I dont even own or have ever owned  a 120mm + ski, so its hard for me to believe I ever started a thread on how GNAR someone is because of their skis. although you are now outright lieing find the thread on TGR or your post gets flagged. The moderators already dont like you and you have been close to being banned. So really let see the thread from TGR it should be easy enough to find for you

 

I dont see one thing about though down at stowe in this thread. Beside you wouldnt not stand a chance anyways.

 

Threatened? you are are about the funniest piece to ever post on this board. Why dont you ask any one from the mother days gathering how threatened I was......

 

Threatened would be scared. I have and will back up and thing I say on here. case in point was my callouts of the phantom foot group at A basin on saturday. Followed by me telling them they should have more ski on their feet and a bump run where people were left FAR FAR behind.

 

Plus I really have nothing to prove, I just like slamming people who dont know what they are talking about, Snofun you still have mentioned why the Elan wouldnt work? you ve gotten so tied up in attacking me that you havent manage to post one ounce of positive useful infomation in this thread.

 

 

 



 

post #48 of 54
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Pallivinchini (spelling?)  is a great bump run and one of my favs when I lived in CO. 



 


dude are you snofun as well?

 

Pali is fun but not nearly as tough as Starr or Goat at stowe, or as long as a vertical.

 

Just because some could, still can, or still does ski a 66mm ski anywhere but a race course, doesnt mean anyone should or that is easier or better.

 

Yep Level 8 skier, I have alot of difficulties skiing tough stuff, like 30 foot cliffs, no fall zones, and 55 degree faces.

 

post #49 of 54

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Originally Posted by BushwackerinPA View Post

ude are you snofun as well?

 

Pali is fun but not nearly as tough as Starr or Goat at stowe, or as long as a vertical.

 

Just because some could, still can, or still does ski a 66mm ski anywhere but a race course, doesn't mean anyone should or that is easier or better.

 

Yep Level 8 skier, I have alot of difficulties skiing tough stuff, like 30 foot cliffs, no fall zones, and 55 degree faces.

 


No I am not someone else..   Sounds like you are just missing the "crazy" factor, which is essential to skiing more aggressive lines.    You should ski Winter park, (Mary Jane side) they have some long, awesome,steep bump runs, next time you are in Colorado. , I think you would find that to be your GO TO resort out west because it has what you like.   It's one of my favorite resorts because it has a lift that accesses only the black bumps runs, (Challenger lift), so the lines are never long on it.   They get lots of snow, more than summit county on average, and the tree skiing is great as well.  Just stay away from the winterpark side, its more family oriented but has some great runs as well along with long lift lines.    A basin is killer as well but I usually went there to ski some of the steeps, like the north poll etc...    Next time you are at A basin when you are skiing down, stop and look straight ahead on the mountain across the road (hwy),  That run is a BC run called the Professor, you can access it at the top of Loveland pass with a lot of hiking, but a great run, so bring your beacon, prob and shovel next time and check it out (and a partner or two).   Or just go and ski loveland pass and hitch rides back to the top all day....  Or on your way to Winterpark you can ski Berthode pass, which is off hwy 40.   The 90's and 100's are epic.....    My old stomping grounds....  But you will need to hook up with a local to show you around those, or just follow people, that's how I learned...    Both of these Pass' I mention are easy to access and are a great intro to backcountry skiing, many of the runs right off the top of either pass (parking area/lot) are as safe as it gets, (AS IT GETS) for BC skiing.   (not to mention you don't have to hike if you don't want to).  PS. the 90's are 100's are NOT as safe as it gets,  :)         Hope some day you try any or all of the above, you could literaly ski all suggestions during one trip. 

 

 

 


 

 

post #50 of 54

this might be a great ski and i dont know jack shit, but after watching the video for that ski, Elan should fire their marketing department. Cheez
 

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Originally Posted by wildcat hank View Post

I can't report the K2's.  If you can wait for next season skis the ELAN Amphibio is going to be the ski to get.  It will be great one ski quiver.  It has a rocker element and camber all in one.  Don't let the left and right get in your way. they can be skied any way.  they have four models for next year the waveflex 14 and the 82 xti have two sheets of metal. the other one with one of them being a womens ski.  the 14 is 72 underfoot and the 82 xti is 82. 

 

I will get some links for you and others to look at late today. I'm on the run.

 

 



 

post #51 of 54

Here's a Elan Amphibio on snow report, 82xti would be good at the OP's weight, doesn't seem like one for me at 5'7" 135lbs.

 

http://www.epicski.com/forum/thread/102453/elan-amphibio-82xti

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w4Lk81aZBJ4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9xW4_edtd1Q&feature=related

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post #53 of 54

Why do you feel the marketing department should be fire?   I have heard that someone don't the music i.e. my son.  I feel that is minor.  About a month ago the sales for Elan here in the state are up from last year. 

I can't wait to do these skis on my feet.   I'm leaning to the 82xti @ 182cm.  I'm 6'1" about 195 lbs and 58 yrs young.

post #54 of 54

thanks for the great links.

 

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Originally Posted by neonorchid View Post

...another link/the line up:

http://outdoorindustry.blogspot.com/2011/01/amphibio-technology-edges-elan-skis.html



 

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