Originally Posted by Nailbender
I understand the confusion in the concept of the COM and how it is mobile, that's why I stated I consider it the center of my chest because I think it is very confusing to myself and possibly others to visualize this point while it is moving and somewhere in space. Although my COM may move out of my body and in space, the way I ski, it certainly feels as though it is located in the center of my chest.
When I ski, I focus mainly on maintaining a steady and floating point which is the center of my chest. Everything I do, the movements I make are all in direct relationship to a perceivable fixed point in the center of my chest. The center of my chest is the center point of the pendulum as my feet travel laterally beneath me from side to side or lineally as my feet move fore and aft in relationship to the fall line. A better description and actually more realistic to the sensation is maintaining a steady, almost gyroscopic center point at the center of the chest.
I say I try to maintain a my center of chest as a floating point, because when I ski moguls, I attempt to mimic the floating/weightless sensation of powder skiing, forward and steady straight down the fall line. I obviously can't maintain this feeling 100% of the time, but I try to get the feeling back as soon as possible when I lose it.
So you acknowledge that the true COM isn't in the centre of your chest, yet you still make a point of skiing as if it was? And you maintain that this is a good thing?
I do actually see the merit in considering the centre of your chest the "fixed" point as you ski though. I think about my skiing the same way, with my chest being the "fixed" point relative to my feet, which respond to terrain/turns/speed etc to maintain my balance by moving, vertically, laterally and fore/aft. What I see in your skiing though is a lot of upper body fore/aft movement, trying have your core keep pace with the feet, rather than moving the feet relative to the upper body to maintain balance.
Sure it is decent skiing, these guys are pros and it shows. I'm also not saying their basic movements and intentions are wrong. I believe they are doing a lot of things right, it's just that they could be so much better if they were able to maintain a more forward aggressive and upright stance. It would allow them to regain shovel edge contact during transition or early in the high "C" instead of resorting to the dolphin turn recovery where the edges don't hook up until the fall line of later. They are late in a majority of their turns, late in initiating edge pressure which results in hanging on their edges to far back at the turn finish, this is why they get blown out the bottom of the section with GS turns.
These guys are getting on the edges of their tips quite a bit earlier than you do in your video, they're always back on snow and on their edges before the fall line, whereas most of your turns seem to consist of a pivoted skid through the fall line with the edges hooking up very hard quite late in the turn. And as for them getting "blown out into GS turns", I can virtually guarantee you that they switch to a larger radius because the terrain flattens out, and carving medium/long radius turns at speed through soft bumps is really really fun.
I disagree that the CSIA guys are typically "stuffing the tips" into the mogul face and going over the tops. When you turn into the mogul face, the skier is basically finishing the turn straight down the fall line, they are deflecting laterally near or off the bottom of the mogul sidewall/rut, especially the dolphin turns. The skiing is very similar to the "technical mogul skiing" video above where the skiers are making very smooth and snappy carves through the zipperline. The terrain the CSIA skiers are skiing though is much more demanding, it's steeper and random, very disorganized moguls/ruts.
Here's what "stuffing the tips" or turning into the mogul face looks like and then the sweet backside turn that is linked next. The skier has to be forward to and have the ability to generate early shovel pressure in the high "C" in order to stick these turns, it raises the bar to advanced mogul skiing. A dolphin turn here leads to quite a thrill ride, it's the last option IMO. Why pass up "natures best groomed snow" on that relatively untouched backside.
I don't think you could grab any turns in those locations from the CSIA video, over the tops mogul skiing down the technical line.
Maybe not 100%, but the vast majority of their turns do exactly that. They typically don't approach pointing directly down the fall line as in your photos, more like a 45deg angle to the bumps, but pretty much every turn blasts right through and over the bump.
Holiday is filled with huge randdom moguls, the one in the pics above is actually jumbo. I thought the moguls in the CSIA video looked inviting and very similar actually, I'd like to ski them sometime, what is that run called?
Haha, the moguls is jumbo in size? Or its actually called jumbo? I hope its the second one, naming individual moguls sounds like fun. The CSIA guys are all from Whistler, couldnt tell you which run though. Skidude might be able to help with that, cause he's from there too I believe.
You should read what I am promoting, early shovel edge pressure that progressively moves to the center and then aft at the turn finish, The shovels are still pressured at the turn finish, but pressure is focused centered/aft. IMO, the CSIA skiers are late in most turns and ride either airborne/zero pressure anywhere or centered/aft through the turn. I think the pics above show that clearly.
Wait, so now there's an aft stage to the QCT? You've spent the last few days talking about (and posting pictures) of a forward stance being ideal...
Pretty funny AA, Are you suggesting that I ONLY generate shovel edge pressure in all phases of my turns? Are you suggesting I DON'T open my ankles while simultaneously retracting/flexing my knees, everting/inverting my ankles and extending my hips during transition? Sheeesh....every turn is more like it. Did you watch the video? I assume you are not suggesting opening my ankles at the turn finish, but your comment is, well vague at best. I'm not the skier that is failiing to generate shovel edge pressure to intiate the next turn, the CSIA skiers are.
Actually...as I said above, they're doing a better job than you of getting an early edge at or above the fall line, where you are typically at or after the fall line. There's definitely some ankle movement in your skiing, but you could do with more. It would help you from landing flat on your skis those times you do catch a bit of air in the bumps, which will tend to happen more and more often as you hit bigger bumps.
I think you should post some vide of yourself skiing some moguls so I can see some more CSIA mogul skiing, so I can continue "dreaming" of keeping up with you guys. You could more clearly explain the benfits of the movements you are making to control speed and maintain line/ fluidity beside using dolphin turns to constantly attempt to recover.
I'd love to, unfortunately I don't have any video of my skiing on my computer, I'll see what I can do once the snow starts falling though. Ha, the constant "attempts" to recover look like they're going well wouldn't you say? Since you have me at a disadvantage in the video department, maybe you have something one a steeper run with bigger moguls, so you can show us how to ski without needing to recover your balance.
Maybe I'm being derilect here, I simply fail to see how developing a better dolphin turn, which IMO is nothing more than an airborne/pivot recovery move, is going to ehance my mogul skiing. I find it revealing that you seem to fail to understand that ANY skier that can navigate the technical line and carry speed has a quite proficient dolphin turn in their quiver, they just don't need it very often. It's there and they know when they need to use it.
You don't see how being able to maintain your coordination, complete the early portion of a turn while airborne and land in the smoothest possible fashion will help your mogul skiing? Ski a bit faster and you might find out. It mainly has to do with what I touched on above, moving the feet fore and aft under the body like the CSIA guys are doing is a much quicker way to adjust your balance as compared to the slower upper body movements that you appear to do quite a bit in your video.