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# Best way to learn bumps? - Page 6

There's a CVJ statement that I completely agree with.

IMO, Carving is an overrated one dimensional technique.

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Originally Posted by cvj

Have to agree this is what we try to do.

All the talk about a pure carve is over rated. Ski steep, expert runs,  & see you carve a pencil line.

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Originally Posted by Uncle Louie

Actually (sorry) not true.  If there is a pivot point anywhere, the tip and tail can not pass over the same point on the hill.  If the ski is pivoting it can't be carving.

I think we are talking about different things. Maybe my words were poorly selected. I was trying to point out that part of the difference the skiers were showing was because of pivot point location. I am looking at the path the tip and tail take in relation to the circle made when pivoting the ski about a point.

Edited by skiatansky - 8/7/11 at 10:37am

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Originally Posted by skiatansky

I think we are talking about different things. Maybe my words were poorly selected. I was trying to point out that part of the difference the skiers were showing was because of pivot point location. I am looking at the path the tip and tail take in relation to the circle made when pivoting the ski about a point.

I know what you were getting at with your view of the side by side skiers.  One of the skiers pivots somewhere under the boot and the other pushes the tail.  I saw the same thing.  To me, tail pushing is an inferior move compared to pivoting the whole ski anywhere under foot. Looks like we all agree on that.....you ...me and the SVMM group.

The point is.........Neither is a carve.

Assume this for a second.  Wherever the pivot point is, that point under the ski going through the turn creates actual radius of the turn itself.  If the pivot point is (let's say) directly under the toe piece of the binding then the true radius of the turn is the spot under the toe piece, and both the tip and tail would pass over the snow at different points than the area under the toe piece.  ie.......the tip takes a shorter line than the area under the toe piece, and the tail a longer line than under the toe piece.

If the pivot point were the area under the tip where the ski first contacts the snow (probably impossible but works well for explanation) then the line the tip takes would be far shorter than the line the tail takes.

Bottom line (pun intended) if either of these events occur there is no carved turn as the tip / tail and the rest of the ski will never pass over the same point in the hill.

I wasn't picking on you Skiatansky, just wanted the concept clear for ALL that are reading here.  In fact your description that followed was right on the money. (no matter which pivot you were speaking about)

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Originally Posted by Uncle Louie

I think this needs some clarification.

If you are saying in order to have a fully carved turn you have to show a continuous pencil line in the snow fully from one turn to the next then I can't agree with you.

If you are saying while the ski is on the snow you have to show a continuous pencil line then I can agree with you.

Case in point..............  If one has the ability to create rebound at the end of the turn and the ski is light enough to be completely off the snow at the start of the next turn, but upon making contact again the skier is skilled enough to RR track the rest of the turn, why wouldn't it be a carved turn ?

I never meant to suggest that it wouldnt be, we must have a different take on what feather means. I read the description of feathering in the post i quoted before to be interchangeable with skidding. IE, if youre feathering (skidding), you cant be carving. The only point i was trying to make was that these QCTs we watched in the video arent actually carved turns.

As to carving being overrated and one dimensional, i can partly agree with that, in that its certainly one dimensional. But then, its just one of many ways to turn the skis, and you could argue that any method (skidded/steered/carved/short radius/long radius/etc) is one dimensional if you take it on its own. Its the blend of all the skills and being able to put them together in order to kill the terrain thats in front of you that makes a good skier.

Overrated though, im not with you there. One dimensional or no, you cant say it isnt a whole lot of fun to carve rails at mach 10 all the way down a steep (and hopefully deserted) groomer.

When I say carving is over-rated, I don't mean that it's not a fun and useful skill that every upper level skier should be able to do.  I mean that I hear lots of hyperbole about carving being the ultimate and superior way to perform turns on skis.  In reality, carving will not open the mountain to you.  Being able to shmear or shape a skidded turn does.  I also think that it is much easier to do a park & ride edge locked kind of "carved" turn on a groomer than it is to blend and shape a perfectly arced and sized turn through a steep chute or a rocky gladed area.  I don't have a problem with QCTs not being carved.  They are doing the job that the SVMM skiers want, so they are perfect for them.  I simply don't like the term they have chosen or the hyperbole they spread about their one true method.

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Originally Posted by tetonpwdrjunkie

When I say carving is over-rated, I don't mean that it's not a fun and useful skill that every upper level skier should be able to do.  I mean that I hear lots of hyperbole about carving being the ultimate and superior way to perform turns on skis.  In reality, carving will not open the mountain to you.  Being able to shmear or shape a skidded turn does.  I also think that it is much easier to do a park & ride edge locked kind of "carved" turn on a groomer than it is to blend and shape a perfectly arced and sized turn through a steep chute or a rocky gladed area.  I don't have a problem with QCTs not being carved.  They are doing the job that the SVMM skiers want, so they are perfect for them.  I simply don't like the term they have chosen or the hyperbole they spread about their one true method.

Agree 100%.

What Pivot means could be it's own thread. A central point or shaft on which something turns or swings. Not when the ski tip and tail follow. It is when one point stays in the same spot & then the tails are pushed out to the side or the tip is pivoted from the toe piece.

QCT does not have a pivot point. The whole ski moves from side to side with a pendulum effect from the knees down.

Show us so we can learn. What you call a short radius turn that is carved or is it impossible?

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Originally Posted by cvj

QCT does not have a pivot point. The whole ski moves from side to side with a pendulum effect from the knees down.

Bull CRAP.

Gettum Louie...  But what do I know anyway....  Nail says I'm a pivot skidder....  I feel so ashamed!

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Originally Posted by Uncle Louie

Bull CRAP.

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Originally Posted by cvj

QCT does not have a pivot point.

The QCT examples shown above start with a pivot - therefore it must have a pivot point. The pivot point changes depending on which of the QCT skiers you are watching. The pivot point gets closer to center for the skiers that are the more skilled SVMM skiers.

Question: if you change edges without allowing the direction of the ski to be altered during the edge change, and you proceed to bend the ski and ride it around the arc without twisting or tail-pushing, yet you do not establish sufficient edge angle for the ski to hold, is that still carving?

What stands out to me wrt the QCT is that even in the most refined demonstration of the turns it appears that there is direction change happening along with the edge change.  There are big angles and ski bending going on, but it happens late, often due to a push to an edge, not tipping to an edge.  This is a platform turn that is heavily dependent on rebound to unweight the skis in order to achieve the edge change.  The one footed turns at 1:20 seem to show this: before lifting the new inside ski, the skier has to use it as a platform to start the edge change.  The skier seems to stand on old downhill ski in order to release and flatten the old uphill ski. Then the new inside ski gets picked up and the skier has to push the tail of the downhill ski to get it on edge.  You can see the same thing in some of Nail's videos where he tried to demonstrate this turn more slowly.  To do it slow, he had to abstem and jump from his downhill ski onto his new edges.  The QCT doesn't seem to involve a release.

IMO, when it comes to discussing carving, what matters is *how* you get your skis on edge, not whether they eventually end up there.  As I said, in my book, the transition is what matters.  If you change edges without changing direction then you will be able to produce turns that we can all agree are carving.  IOW, even if carving to you means "pencil tracks", being able to change edges without changing direction is the prerequisite for that kind of turn.  Anybody who can do the latter can do the former.  No question there are ripping skiers using the QCT, but IMO the QCT isn't a "carving" turn in the technical sense because it ignores what has to happen in transition to create a "pure" carved turn and it ignores what has to happen in the upper third of the arc.  If anything, the skiing demonstrated at 1:22 just proves my point.  Skiers with solid fundamentals look nothing like that.

BTW, I'm referring to the skiing in this video: http://www.epicski.com/forum/thread/103262/best-way-to-learn-bumps/120

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Geoffda wrote:

You can see the same thing in some of Nail's videos where he tried to demonstrate this turn more slowly.  To do it slow, he had to abstem and jump from his downhill ski onto his new edges.  The QCT doesn't seem to involve a release.

Hey G,

Sure there is a release, every turn.  It's split second, but without retracting my feet, there is no way I could get back onto my new shovel edges so quickly, shifting pressure from aft back to fore.  There is simply no time to "jump" or "hop" in the turn, I extend both knees into the turn finish, I don't have any extension left to jump.  There is a big difference between jumping and generating rebound float. The QCT is a very tight radius turn and the rebound energy generated at the turn finish throws me virtually weightless into the first 1/2 of the next turn, I'm floating on my shovel edges.  The only time I am actually fully weighted back on the snow is the moment at the turn finish then it's float time again with increased pressuring into the next turn finish.   I'm always on my edges and don't believe I'm ever in a flat static platform.  A lightly pressured ski on edge, even if only the shovel edges are in contact with the snow will carve or turn or I would never be able to get my skis to re-enter the fall line, they would just keep traveling away from me.  My tails go where my tips previously were, back and forth, round and round.

Doesn't what I'm doing actually look like it is a variation of the phantom move as I initiate the new downhill edge into the new turn.  I usually retract both feet, but sometimes only the old downhill ski.  I then slightly extend the new downhill ski as I roll my ankle to generate edge angle, but often I'm still simultaneously retracting my old downhill ski while inverting my new uphill ankle and pressuring my LTE.  Sometimes you can see my old downhill ski/boot lag behind, I think this is what's going on as I roll onto my new downhill ski edge to hook it up.

Not the best skiing or the best turns, but they'll allow my to hold a direct fall line down virtually any terrain.

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Originally Posted by cvj

What Pivot means could be it's own thread. A central point or shaft on which something turns or swings. Not when the ski tip and tail follow. It is when one point stays in the same spot & then the tails are pushed out to the side or the tip is pivoted from the toe piece.

QCT does not have a pivot point. The whole ski moves from side to side with a pendulum effect from the knees down.

Show us so we can learn. What you call a short radius turn that is carved or is it impossible?

The QCTs in your video absolutely DO have a pivot point.

These turns do not:

There is no doubt Berger is a great skier.  What I don't understand is why he is so dedicated to the zipperline, maybe he's never seen anyone rip the technical line with speed.  It would be great to ski with him some day.

I really like his turns in this natural terrain clip....the turns look familiar to me and the snow looks SWEET!

Have fun...

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Originally Posted by Nailbender

There is no doubt Berger is a great skier.  What I don't understand is why he is so dedicated to the zipperline, maybe he's never seen anyone rip the technical line with speed.  It would be great to ski with him some day.

I really like his turns in this natural terrain clip....the turns look familiar to me and the snow looks SWEET!

Yeah, found a vid of him skiing some bumps on the youtube. Id never heard of/seen him before, but he was wearing a bib in some of the clips so i assume hes got a background in comp moguls, which would explain the zipping. But there were plenty of other clips of him going real fast and steering turns through some nasty bumps, and making it all look effortless. Really good skiing.

Berger is a great skier. Never heard of him skiing mogul comps.  But the turns are the same to me. QCT just happens faster quicker with more blocking pole plants.. Take this turn to the moguls & ski all the lines not just the zipper. Bank off the sides, ski over the tops & find the smooth spot on the back side, then get after the zipper line & show us how much control the skier has by getting out of the zippper and ski there own line is what the QCT is all about.

Ski all the lines not just confine yourself to the zipper.

Hinge from one point is a pivot. Keep it to Webster definition of pivot. Draw a line down the fall line of the Shane video & watch the skis go back and forth across the fall line no pivot point. Now do the same with Jeremy the tips of the skis stay in the same spot never crossing the fall line pivot point.

Also watch the angles of the skier at the apex of the turn Jeremy has no or little angle and is stacked in the apex of the turn. Shane has a lot of angles in body position & matching angles of the skis tipped on edge. Both skiers are successful mogul skiers on the US Freestyle Team. Mogul skiing is about staying in the fall line.

As you say QCT there is pressure added at the end of the turn so that the skier can produce more rebound. The 1st 3 turns are added pressure by setting a hard edge set, then the skier can let the pressure build by tipping the ski on edge & allow speed to load the ski into reverse camber.  These are the 2 ways skiers can load the skis into reverse camber.

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The QCTs in your video absolutely DO have a pivot point.

These turns do not:

Tell us where the pivot point is?

Normally it is from the tip as skiers tend to push the tail out or wait to hit the bump to go the other direction. Does not happen in the QCT.

Geoffda @ 1:20 it is an demo exaggeration. Look @ 1:24 matched edge angles skis tracking the pencil line.

As far as being late  it all happens in the previous turn. Yes the skier is using both skis for more rebound as  2 skis are better than 1 and give the skier more rebound. Step on both skis mid way through the turn.

QCT does block the ski from coming into a totally finished turn because mogul skiing is about being quick. Not waiting for the ski to finish a complete arc because the skier may need to adjust the line or turn slightly.

Mogul skiing is about being flex able when turning & taking the same short radius turn that the skier does on the groomed to the moguls.

BTW QCT skiers do race doing very well. The girl in the blue pants beats the race coach women most of the time also you would get chicked when she places in the top 10 overall with the guys.

Edited by cvj - 8/9/11 at 7:37am

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Originally Posted by cvj

Tell us where the pivot point is?

You may have missed the answer which was posted above. The pivot point of the QCT skiers varies depending on the skill level. The more skilled QCT skiers have a pivot point closer to the midpoint. The less skilled have a pivot point more forward. This is demonstrated in the QCT videos posted previously.

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Originally Posted by geoffda

Question: if you change edges without allowing the direction of the ski to be altered during the edge change, and you proceed to bend the ski and ride it around the arc without twisting or tail-pushing, yet you do not establish sufficient edge angle for the ski to hold, is that still carving?

I'm not sure this question actually makes any sense (or else you're using confusing terminology).  To "bend the ski and ride it around the arc", doesn't it have to have enough edge angle to "hold"?  Otherwise the ski would be displacing sideways to some extent.

Obviously there are a whole continuum of turns that involve sideways displacement.  Sometimes it happens because the skier is making defensive movements.  It can also be used deliberately, either to scrub speed or to take a line that you cannot make with a completely 'railed'/'arced' turn (due to restrictions of ski geometry and/or speed).  There seem to be a lot of terms for this: "smearing", "drifting", "scarving", "brushed carving", etc.

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What stands out to me wrt the QCT is that even in the most refined demonstration of the turns it appears that there is direction change happening along with the edge change.  There are big angles and ski bending going on, but it happens late, often due to a push to an edge, not tipping to an edge.  This is a platform turn that is heavily dependent on rebound to unweight the skis in order to achieve the edge change.  The one footed turns at 1:20 seem to show this: before lifting the new inside ski, the skier has to use it as a platform to start the edge change.  The skier seems to stand on old downhill ski in order to release and flatten the old uphill ski. Then the new inside ski gets picked up and the skier has to push the tail of the downhill ski to get it on edge.  You can see the same thing in some of Nail's videos where he tried to demonstrate this turn more slowly.  To do it slow, he had to abstem and jump from his downhill ski onto his new edges.  The QCT doesn't seem to involve a release.

IMO, when it comes to discussing carving, what matters is *how* you get your skis on edge, not whether they eventually end up there.  As I said, in my book, the transition is what matters.  If you change edges without changing direction then you will be able to produce turns that we can all agree are carving.  IOW, even if carving to you means "pencil tracks", being able to change edges without changing direction is the prerequisite for that kind of turn.  Anybody who can do the latter can do the former.  No question there are ripping skiers using the QCT, but IMO the QCT isn't a "carving" turn in the technical sense because it ignores what has to happen in transition to create a "pure" carved turn and it ignores what has to happen in the upper third of the arc.  If anything, the skiing demonstrated at 1:22 just proves my point.  Skiers with solid fundamentals look nothing like that.

I agree with your analysis that the "QCT" seems to involve setting a hard edge after the fall line and using that to rebound into the next turn.  It may be effective in the bumps, but it's not what I'd call 'carved' -- or at least not completely carved.

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Nailbender:
...I'm always on my edges and don't believe I'm ever in a flat static platform.  A lightly pressured ski on edge, even if only the shovel edges are in contact with the snow will carve or turn or I would never be able to get my skis to re-enter the fall line, they would just keep traveling away from me.  My tails go where my tips previously were, back and forth, round and round....

You're definitely not "always on your edges".  You're getting the skis back into the fall line (at least partially) by pivoting them while you are unweighted between turns.  It's pivot->start to edge->brief carve->edge set->release/rebound->pivot->start to edge->brief carve->edge set->release/rebound->pivot...

You can see it a lot better in the slow-motion video.  Like the right-hand turn from ~1:23-1:25 in the video in this post: http://www.epicski.com/forum/thread/103262/best-way-to-learn-bumps/150#post_1353253  -- you can see the stem and pivot as the skis slide sideways.  The edges don't engage until after the fall line.  (You can see it in most of the turns, but the camera's at a good distance in that one.)

I'm not saying you necessarily want to carve the whole way through the turn in the bumps.  (It's certainly not easy.)  But you are definitely not "always on your edges" with a "QCT".

Mogul skiing is short radius turns a skier would practice on groomed runs & taking them to the moguls. Something between an instructor and a racer.  A good mogul skier who makes lots of turns,  stays close to the fall line, who takes the moguls as they come not picking and choosing the same line, who carries consistent speed for there ability and never appears out of control.

Pivot a central point or shaft which something turns. Key word shaft or hinged from one spot which never moves.

In the QCT watch to see how far across the fall line the center of each turn is? Can't be a pivot as per Oxford Dictionary

Don't see pivot in the QCT. Yes the turn is produced from the same area in the fall line but the skis go from one side of the fall line to the other side of the fall line with no point of a shaft or hinge.  There is a edge set to go the other direction in the QCT as when you get to the moguls it all happens quicker.

To me it is a pendulum effect from the knees down, with a lot of float in between the turns, projecting the upper body down the hill.

Edited by cvj - 8/11/11 at 11:02am

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In the QCT watch to see how far across the fall line the center of each turn is? Can't be a pivot as per Oxford Dictionary

Don't see pivot in the QCT. Yes the turn is produced from the same area in the fall line but the skis go from one side of the fall line to the other side of the fall line with no point of a shaft or hinge.

By "pivot" I mean a rotary move in the legs relative to the direction of motion of the skis.  You can do this with or without lateral motion of the skis.  (Without little/no lateral motion, the resulting 'turn' is a pivot slip.)

I'm not saying there isn't lateral motion.  But the edges certainly aren't engaged during the majority of the turn, and the skis are being turned through the transition with a lot of rotary leg motion.

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Originally Posted by Matthias99

By "pivot" I mean a rotary move in the legs relative to the direction of motion of the skis.  You can do this with or without lateral motion of the skis.  (Without little/no lateral motion, the resulting 'turn' is a pivot slip.)

I'm not saying there isn't lateral motion.  But the edges certainly aren't engaged during the majority of the turn, and the skis are being turned through the transition with a lot of rotary leg motion.

the turn has a time and place, but using it all the time in bumps and never using any other turn, and calling turn carved that is might be carved for maybe 10 percent of the finishing edge set is fine.

I would love to ski with CVJ, or Nailbender or any of the other people who keep saying the same old same old, despite noone wanting to listen.

Now maybe some rotary movment. Does not mean pivot as the defined by Oxford.

Would love to ski with any of the virtual skiers on the net. Then the BS would stop. Some one would have there eyes opened. The ? is who?

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Originally Posted by cvj

Now maybe some rotary movment. Does not mean pivot as the defined by Oxford.

Would love to ski with any of the virtual skiers on the net. Then the BS would stop. Some one would have there eyes opened. The ? is who?

noone on this board has skied with you or nail as far as I can tell.

100s of people have skied with me from this site. I have made every effort to be as far as virtual as I can be...so I can say what I am about to say, be someone who is confident in who he is.

IMO you guys have a good technique, but are WAY too one trick ponies.  In the end even if you chose to not keep doing the same turn over and over again your technique still wont matter if you ski with me. I am fit enough to make skiers who have way more skills and finesse than me beg me to slow to take breaks. I hate groomers as well, and will ski off trail in the worst possible conditions.

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Originally Posted by tetonpwdrjunkie

When I say carving is over-rated, I don't mean that it's not a fun and useful skill that every upper level skier should be able to do.  I mean that I hear lots of hyperbole about carving being the ultimate and superior way to perform turns on skis.  In reality, carving will not open the mountain to you.  Being able to shmear or shape a skidded turn does.  I also think that it is much easier to do a park & ride edge locked kind of "carved" turn on a groomer than it is to blend and shape a perfectly arced and sized turn through a steep chute or a rocky gladed area.  I don't have a problem with QCTs not being carved.  They are doing the job that the SVMM skiers want, so they are perfect for them.  I simply don't like the term they have chosen or the hyperbole they spread about their one true method.

After reading this thread, this pretty much sums up my feelings. When skiing bumps "carving" is pretty much the last thing I am focused on... trying to be soft on my edges and ski in rhythm. Balance is an outcome of that if I do it right. I see bumps as an opportunity to pivot and turn easily to control my speed rather than an obstacle or a problem to be avoided...

Pivot Definitions

Cambridge -

to turn or twist
She pivots her left foot.

A skiing example - The skier pivots her skis.

Websters -

the action of turning around a point

The quarterback made a quick pivot [=turn] and threw the ball to the running back.

A skiing example - The skiers made quick pivots as they skied the technical line.

Oxford -

verb - turn on or as if on a pivot

he swung around, pivoting on his heel

A skiing example - The skier swung the skis around, pivoting on the front of the ski.

noun - the central point , pin , or shaft on which a mechanism turns or oscillates.

In skiing this is the point [on the skis] about which the skis are turned [pivoted]

Edited by skiatansky - 8/12/11 at 1:14pm

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Now maybe some rotary movment. Does not mean pivot as the defined by Oxford.

Like the last post pointed out, use the verb definition, not the noun.  I'm not talking about "a pivot [point]", I'm talking about "pivoting the skis".  (Although you could certainly define a fixed pivot point relative to the ski.)  This seems to be pretty widely accepted skiing terminology, although if you would rather call it some form of "rotation" I'm okay with that too.  But it is clearly NOT pressuring an edged ski into an arc, at least for most of the turn.

When done well, I'd call that kind of turn partially carved.  Not that there's anything wrong with this!  Like BWPA said, it certainly has its time and place.  Trying to 'carve' cleanly through moguls is often difficult, and near-suicidal in some conditions.

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Would love to ski with any of the virtual skiers on the net. Then the BS would stop. Some one would have there eyes opened. The ? is who?

Lots of Bears will be here: http://www.epicski.com/forum/thread/103575/2012-gathering-in-lake-tahoe-2-26-3-2-12/

Don't know where you are, but would be happy to ski with you if you're in my neck of the woods.

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Originally Posted by cvj

Now maybe some rotary movment. Does not mean pivot as the defined by Oxford.

Why not use established definitions related to skiing? You are within a PSIA division.  Why not use commonly understood terms for skiing movements and fundamentals?  For that matter (and for Geoffda) put is in PMT\$ terms as well.  Might as well start with rotary seeing as how you mentioned it.  Are you talking about active or passive / where and when ?

Would love to ski with any of the virtual skiers on the net. Then the BS would stop. Some one would have there eyes opened. The ? is who?

The answer to who is you.  While you are noted as a former world class bump skier you can't even seem to recognize the mechanics of your own turns.  Neither does Nail.

The BS will stop when you and your cronies stop posting GARBAGE.  Your skiing and the skiing of those connected with SVMM is strictly designed to work in the world of competitive mogul skiing, and that isn't skiing that most of us aspire to.  Because we don't agree with the way you describe SVMM's fundamental movements doesn't mean many of us here can't make those movements or understand what they are.

Come down to 20,000 feet,  pinch yourself and wake up!

I agree with BW (who I have skied with) that you guys are one trick ponies.  At least that's all we have seen so far.

CVJ...can you please post up a fully carved turn for us?  How about a pencil line showing for the entire radius ? (extra points if you can do it in the bumps)

How about a few turns w/o showing a classic "check" ?

How about some pivot slips that would pass a Level III exam ?

I'll be out of touch for a few days.  Can't wait to get back and SEE the results.

Maybe it's been said earlier (and maybe by me), but with all this talk of rotary, and advice from expert world cup bump skiers and expert instructors I thought I would bring this conversation down to the level of someone still trying to learn how to enjoy bumps without wrecking their knees or needing to be a 27 year old athlete in lieu of skill.  I suck at bumps, but I remember a thing or two a few years back when I decided to improve that aspect of my skiing ( I still suck at bumps, but not quite as badly as I did a decade ago). New-to-bumps skiers may benefit from my experience.

1) Speed control is a necessity, you have to reach a certain speed for things to work, but go too fast and it's too difficult to do without pre-existing skills.  If you are pure carving your turns, you will be going to fast, so the only way to achieve proper speed control is to get the skis somewhat sideways and they need to "rotate" out of the line of travel, but the key to protecting old knees is HOW do those skis rotate.

2) I have found that by tipping the skis and pressuring the tips you can let the snow turn the skis for you.  This is not "carving" as in pencil-thin lines through the turn.  Some people call it carving, some insist it's not carving.  Get over it!  It doesn't matter what you call it, it's still much easier on the knees than trying to torque those skis around.

3) Learn on terrain that is easy; find some bumps that are easier and not much of a challenge.  If you have been skiing "Chinese Downhill" style through whatever was in your path for years and only skied bumps at warp speed like a train wreck relying on strength and athletic ability to get to the bottom first without crashing, then you need to search out terrain much below your usual comfort level.  I'm not talking about something you feel comfortable on; I'm talking about something that is way way beneath what makes you uncomfortable.

4) Uninterrupted time on snow.  Spend a whole day lapping one bump run and get a feeling for what you are doing.  You will also get to know the run.  It's like learning a race track; the first time through you carried a little bit too much speed through corner 3 and had trouble with corner 4, next time around you are setting up turn 4 with turn 3.  The next time down you might make that turn where you had to skip over to the next lane 'cause you were going just a little too fast to make the turn or were a little off balance, caught a tip or tail, or what ever.

5) If it hurts you are doing it wrong.  Find out or figure out what is hurting you and stop it!

Also it's perfectly all right to forget about everything and just let 'er rip once in a while.

Oh, skis do make a difference; any of my other skis are way easier to ski bumps with than my old one-ski-quiver SGs.

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