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Would a "wider" ski hinder a junior intermediate skier?

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Looking to pick up some new skis for my 12 y.o. daughter.  Hard to keep them in the right size skis when they are growing so fast.

 

She's been using some Line Celebrity Jr skis for the past season, maybe two -- I forget.  They are 101-80-94, and she's on 143's.  She's progressed well over the past two seasons, is pretty comfortable in moderate bumps (except iced), powder whether it's fresh or cut up, and groomers. She can handle moderately pitched glades if not too tight, but those are her biggest challenge. She can carve larger/medium turns, and is learnign how to use the terrain to her advantage.

 

I've been considering the Line Celebrity 90 for her next ski, and want to get a good end of year deal. My only concern is if moving to a ski that wide will hinder her learning / progression? 

 

The Celeb 90 is 125-90-113, and I'd probably step her up to the 158's...which she may or may not outgrow.  Most of her skiing is at our local mid-NY hill, Greek Peak...lots of man made snow, nothing int he way of steeps but a couple runs that still get her heart pumping, and a couple decent glades.  Took her to Jay and Stowe this past weekend and she did great there and skied with decent form on intermediate runs and even did well on a few blacks that I figured she could handle (Ex - bottom of Everglade, Upper Can Am at Jay - she had a harder time on Powerline, definitely pushed her limits there).

 

I don't know that she'll ever be an aggressive skier - but she's only 12 so it's hard to tell. I just want to put her on a ski that will help her learn, get better, ski the way she wants, and have as much fun as possible.  

 

Oh, and she thinks twin tips are cool.

post #2 of 11
Seems like a lot of ski for a 12 year old mainly skiing manmade upstate NY snow. Not sure what the additional 10 would buy her except decreased edge grip.
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Originally Posted by Que View Post

Seems like a lot of ski for a 12 year old mainly skiing manmade upstate NY snow. Not sure what the additional 10 would buy her except decreased edge grip.


Que - thats kind of what I was thinking, but was wondering if there is any other downside for her?

 

BTW, we actually get quite a lot of natural snow - the hill is at the edge of the lake effect snow belt off of Lake Ontario.  But until at least mid Jan they blow snow as hard as they can to get the base built up.

 

post #4 of 11

Which hill are you at?  I really don't see the positive to going to a wider ski with her.  They're not going to help her learn at all; we can argue about if they're going to hinder her, but I would just stick with a skinner ski.

post #5 of 11

Sounds like she is comfortable at those dimensions you could just go longer and stay close to the same waist size. A wider longer ski might overwhelm her.

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Originally Posted by RaceDude View Post

Which hill are you at?  I really don't see the positive to going to a wider ski with her.  They're not going to help her learn at all; we can argue about if they're going to hinder her, but I would just stick with a skinner ski.


RD - our home hill is  Greek Peak, so most of her skiing is done there. It's close enough (30 minutes) that if we are lucky to get some new snow we shoot right up there before they get a chance to groom it. Only once this season did we ski anything deeper than 8" - when they got about 12 - 15 in one of the last storms and she did ok in that - was a bit  heavy.  Next year we'll probably take the kids out west with us - either Steamboat or Utah, and do at least one trip up to N VT (Stowe, Jay, Sugarbush).

 

Thanks for the input guys - I was thinking a wider ski might overwhelm her too.  I think I'll stick to around 80 at the waist like her current skis. 
 

 

post #7 of 11

I would look at the most experienced manufacturers for a kid. reason: you can't try the ski to see what it's like. the reviews are lacking cause only kids ski them, etc. I would trust a more experienced company to come up with something great for my child. I found some Rossignol B-3's for my twelve year old, 95 wide at the time, around 2006, in a 158cm. They were awesome for him;  (We're out west, however).

 

the skis she's been on are a very long TR, very little sidecut. that's odd I think.

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Davluri - in what way do you think that's odd?  Do you mean for the majority of the skiing she's doing?  I did consider that - and the Celebrity 90 is a much shorter TR, and with a wood core I thought it would be reasonably soft, my concern was the width and if that would be a problem for her. After reading the comments so far, I'm inclined to keep her on a similar width ski to what she's on, or maybe even a little narrower waisted - say 75 underfoot.

 

She'll be 13 by the start of next season. At the rate she's been growing I think she'll be somewhere between 5'6 and 5'8 by that time -- and at the moment she's somewhat skinny, doubt that will change.  So I should still be looking at kid/jr skis for her in your opinion? 

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The only junior skis that would be suitable for her would be junior race skis at something in the high 150s or low 160s. (The other juniors wouldn't be long enough). And you don't indicate that racing is in her interest zone. But they would be something I would look at - they are cheaper than adult skis, designed for a lighter skier, and generally well made. There is a good supply of used and last years models available at good discounts and they can be sold after a year or so online or at the local swaps. However, they are not as good in bumps, deeper snow etc. and probably do not match her interests. For a similar junior, I got a Dynastar jr. GS ski (163) and took the race plate off making it a more versatile ski that has worked very well, including bumps, jumps, trees.

 

So basically you would be looking for a woman's ski. Skiing at Greek Peak or other eastern resorts, I would not go up in width - as you said you had one deep snow day this year. I would bet you had more lot of hard pack/ice days. One of the key elements is her weight as you said she is not a super aggressive skier. Ski Presse has a pretty comprehensive survey of skis that includes skier weight as a criterion. As she is  light and not too aggressive, an intermediate woman's  ski somewhere in the 75 +/- 5 waist range should work for her for a few years.

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I thought it was strange because it's a TR that is normally used for very aggressive skiing; you can't get much of a turn just by rolling the ski on edge, it has to be driven. Now that's not entirely true with the Line she has, but still....why?

 

I hadn't noticed her size at first because you didn't say; she's big enough to buy an adult ski, a softer flexing, nice turn radius ski. Like I said, Rossignol had some 158cm models that were great in the transition from junior to adult, today they have the Phantom model series, or the S86 or something.  

 

I wasn't suggesting the B-3 or anything that wide given where you live and ski, just a ski like that in the width you chose, soft, damp, turny. If she's  not aggressive, she is not going to be hitting steep icy faces just yet, so edge hold is something to look for in the next pair.

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Dav - so a ski like you're suggesting sounds like it will work better for her in the trees - which she skis, and wants to ski better, but feels uncomfortable there at times. 

 

On intermediate groomers, she seems to drive the ski fine, but what you're saying makes sense based on how I've seen her ski when it gets a bit steeper, or in the bumps.

 

vsirin - thanks for your input too...I  have a friend who's kids are on the race team and I'm goign to talk with him tomorrow to get his input.

 

I appreciate the comments and input from everyone.  As a parent who wants his kids to get the most fun out of skiing as possible, I'd hate to put them on skis that will hold them back from becoming better skiers and maximizing the fun they have out there.  Now I'm wondering if the Celeb Jr is going to work ok for my younger daughter next year -- she's much more aggressive, loves being in the bumps and trees and getting mini-air....I guess I'll see. If she says she can't ski on it, then I'll see what else I can pick up.

 

 

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