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post #61 of 72

How do you do manual traction, litterbug?  We learned a bent-leg technique where the rescuer uses his/her body weight to both stabilize the injury and provide traction while the traction splint was being prepared.  Just trying to learn, here, since what you're telling me is counter to what we were taught.

Edited by mountaingirl1961 - 5/10/11 at 9:22pm
post #62 of 72
I guess that might work, and it would avoid building a traction splint, but I'm not sure how a standard splint would maintain the traction after it you removed the tension from the leg. I do remember discussing that kind of maneuver, though even back then I'm sure I'd have been hard put to put any meaningful traction on a large athletic guy. However, it seems impossible to do alone, and difficult even with two people. What kind of splint would you use to keep the broken femur's ends apart?
post #63 of 72

I think we're talking past one another, which is why I was so confused.


My take on the write-up was that the traction splint they improvised likely wasn't working very effectively if he was still in that kind of pain.  My comment was based on the idea that they possibly didn't keep him in manual traction and work the bugs out of their improvised traction splint to make sure they had it figured out before they applied it.  If push came to shove they could have maintained manual traction for quite a while to make sure they got it right... it's hard on the rescuers but better for the pt.  They had two guys there... the non-medical friend could have maintained manual traction/stabiliztion with supervision from the EMT, while the EMT worked out the details of the improvised traction splint on the healthy leg.  I'm obviously just talking through my hat, though - I wasn't there and don't know why what they did wasn't more effective in reducing the pain.  In any event, the pt was evacuated successfully and will hopefully make a complete recovery, and now has a great beer story to tell.  All's well that ends well.

post #64 of 72
I didn't see any mention of a traction splint, or any splint at all, for that matter. Devore simply says "Jake knew what to do" and that he used a Go-Pro strap and skins for something, made the hard decision not to move him, and tried to warm him and keep him insulated from the snow, but there's no mention of the treatment provided on site. There may have been another article with more information, though. Once I saw the hematoma I would have applied pressure to the femoral artery at the top of the thigh or applied a light tourniquet, but aside from a basic splint to keep the leg in its current orientation that's probably all I would have done.

However, even the Flight for Life crew may not have put him in a traction splint, just that they medicated him for pain. I don't know their protocol, but generally if the patient is stable the priority is keeping him stable for transport, following a physician's instructions if their base has one and can communicate with them, and transporting him as quickly as possible. Pain medication to avoid shock would be part of that stabilization.

But we're very distant from the OP's original question, I don't have current First Responder training, and I've speculated about as much as I'm comfortable with!
post #65 of 72

This may shed some light on some of the earlier discussion on this thread (and some of the pics - or similar ones - were posted on another thread discussion avy/bc issues as well). Interesting...





post #66 of 72
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Hey everyone I don't want to necro post but at the same time I don't want to start a new thread for this.


I would like to thank everyone for all the help throughout the season. I know some of the threads I started turned kinda controversial and I understand everyone's well founded worries. I am at times a little to quick to accept risks and one day that could very come back to bite me so far it hasn't.


I really didn't get much back country experience this season and only made one trip out which was up Quandry. I know a lot of you will disagree with that decision but I learned a lot from the trip. Lucky for me we met someone at the top who had dug a snow pit and was able to give us some information before heading down. 


That trip taught me two things first there were a lot of people up there many who were even more clueless then I. This actually worried me as I saw a number of people just following the conclusion of "well there's tracks it must be safe."


Second I learned that people are willing to lend a hand more then you expect from peoples attitudes today. This taught me that while I should be ready to make my own decisions, I also shouldn't be afraid to ask for help.


In regards to traveling this spring me and my partner made a judgement call. There was just to much swing between the warming temps and then significant snowfall for either of us to consider going out. We already only had a basic understanding and with the swings we had no idea what to expect so we decided to stay off the snow.


Thanks again to everyone for all the advice and I look to learning more next year, hopefully by finding someone willing to take us out and teach us.


As a side note this is what we ended up doin instead of skiing. We head down to moab and had a blast:


post #67 of 72

lonewolf-have you watched A Dozen More Turns?

We saw it in our Avy I in Bozeman-

A very sobering video especially considering that they were experienced and educated


a link http://www.lifeonterra.com/episode.php?id=77


If you have watched it-good for you

post #68 of 72

Moab is always fun in the spring.  I think you can get into trouble there if you look for it though.  Hows the whitewater coming?  I saw some of your posts over at MountainBuzz.  I like the idea of you going for it in all seasons and venues.  Remember to stay safe and keep learning.

post #69 of 72
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Originally Posted by tetonpwdrjunkie View Post

Moab is always fun in the spring.  I think you can get into trouble there if you look for it though.  Hows the whitewater coming?  I saw some of your posts over at MountainBuzz.  I like the idea of you going for it in all seasons and venues.  Remember to stay safe and keep learning.

Unfortunately I haven't had any luck finding a raft. I think I am gunna try and take some of the classes the Academy offers. I guess I should have expected there to be some people that crossed over there.


Only problem with goin for everything though is it's expensive lol but I don't know where I will get stationed next so may as well take advantage of everything colorado has to offer while I have the chance.



post #70 of 72

It's always best to have a friend with a raft.  I currently have one good 14' raft setup and another decent 18' boat that was given to me last season.  I gave away a 16' Cataraft to an employee several seasons ago.  I had picked it up cheap, used it for a while, and lost confidence in it for the wilderness type trips I like to do.  This spring, I sold the first raft I owned for $50.  It was an 11' Udisco that I bought for cheap and used much harder than I should have.  I actually did some solid class IV runs with that little bucket boat before I completely lost confidence with it.  My point is that there are inexpensive boats out there, but they are generally worth less than what you paid for them.  If you are not an expert in raft repair, then you might find that a cheap boat is more than you can handle.

post #71 of 72

lonewolf: too bad you ain't a Marine: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mountain_Warfare_Training_Center



Edited by dookey67 - 6/16/11 at 11:32pm
post #72 of 72
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Originally Posted by dookey67 View Post

lonewolf: too bad you ain't a Marine: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mountain_Warfare_Training_Center



As cool as that sounds I am perfectly happy that I am not a marine.

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