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Rossignol SG 209 2011 model on sale

post #1 of 18
Thread Starter 

I was offered a pair of this years 209cm long Rossignol SG skis for 350usd including binding. Brand new. I have a pair of very old Atomics I bought this year for 170 and they work ok but maybe skis have developped over the years. Glad for any input from you guys. Anybody ever tried Rossignol speed race skiis. From a price perspective these skis are a true bargain.


Edited by tdk6 - 4/4/11 at 7:33am
post #2 of 18

I'd get 'em.  A bunch of the CU racers use Rossi, and they like them a whole bunch.  These are going to be many, many times better than your old Atomics...

 

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Originally Posted by tdk6 View Post

I was offered a pair of this years 209cm long Rossignol SG skis for 350usd including binding. Brand new. I have a pair of very old Atomics I bought this year for 170 and they work ok but maybe skis have developped over the years. Glad for any input from you guys. Anybody ever tried Rossignol speed race skiis. From a price perspective these skis are a true bargain.



 

post #3 of 18

They're not crazy stiff, which is probably good for you,so I'd say go for it!

post #4 of 18

I have last years Rossi SG in a 201., excellent ski.  I have tried the 209 as well, also a great ski but takes a bit more work

 

Will be light years ahead of the old atomics

post #5 of 18
Thread Starter 

Thanks for the info. How about the rossi binding.... I have never really had any binding like that and I dont have a clue to as how they are to work with. I had a pair of old rossis with the look binding and they would not fit on my waxing bench.

 

Is the stiffness of the ski marked anywhere? And, are the skis the real thing or just some mass porduction for the big crowds? Any way of spotting a true rossi race ski?

post #6 of 18

Rossi bindings are basically the old Look bindings.  They don't do much for me, but I think they probably work.  Stiffness is usually marked on the tail with a Sharpie...numbers for SG are usually 47/37, or something like that.  Trust me, there are no mass production 209 SGs out there.  IMHO, the current best ski in that length is a 2011 Atomic D2 SG.  I just got a pair that I used at the recent US Masters DH championships, and they were 2 seconds faster than my 2008s.  But for the price, you aren't going to beat a pair of 209 Rossi SGs.  Buy them and go ski them...and don't worry about the flex numbers...

 


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Originally Posted by tdk6 View Post

Thanks for the info. How about the rossi binding.... I have never really had any binding like that and I dont have a clue to as how they are to work with. I had a pair of old rossis with the look binding and they would not fit on my waxing bench.

 

Is the stiffness of the ski marked anywhere? And, are the skis the real thing or just some mass porduction for the big crowds? Any way of spotting a true rossi race ski?



 

post #7 of 18

To follow up on what I just said, a 209 SG is a BIG ski for Masters Super G.  I use either a 201 or a 205 for Masters SG.  I use a 210 SG for Masters DH.  But get the Rossis anyway...just like downhill itself, they'll be better than sex...

 

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Rossi bindings are basically the old Look bindings.  They don't do much for me, but I think they probably work.  Stiffness is usually marked on the tail with a Sharpie...numbers for SG are usually 47/37, or something like that.  Trust me, there are no mass production 209 SGs out there.  IMHO, the current best ski in that length is a 2011 Atomic D2 SG.  I just got a pair that I used at the recent US Masters DH championships, and they were 2 seconds faster than my 2008s.  But for the price, you aren't going to beat a pair of 209 Rossi SGs.  Buy them and go ski them...and don't worry about the flex numbers...

 


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I have only seen the Flex markings on Atomics, no sign of anything on the Rossis.  The heel track can be subject to wear on the newer Rossi/Look PX race bindings....as i found out to my cost, ending up in the B netting at Mammoth at high speed mad.gif

 



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Originally Posted by SkiRacer55 View Post

To follow up on what I just said, a 209 SG is a BIG ski for Masters Super G.  I use either a 201 or a 205 for Masters SG.  I use a 210 SG for Masters DH.  But get the Rossis anyway...just like downhill itself, they'll be better than sex...

 

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post #9 of 18

I have a pair of last year's Rossi SG at 209 cm.  A great ski and not that hard to turn.  Very stable in the turns.  I went to a Dynastar SG 203 this year and loved it.  Very similar ski only shorter. I am told it is a Rossi in dynastar markings.  the only caution is if you are a short light person.  I am about 5'6" and 175 and made them turn just fine.  They are rockets on the snow so go for it. 

post #10 of 18
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Thanks once again for your input boyz. Im a big guy, 6foot2 and 95kg. My Atomics are factory order for a guy with the weight 72kg. He used them for one race and then he sold them to a 75kg guy that used them for two races.

 

I took part in two SG competitions this year. In the first one the gates were set far apart and it was very high speed. To my understanding the skis worked fine except that at the steep I had no guts committing to the turns and carve cleanly. I had to skid and brush off some speed. In the second the gates were set closer but I had no problem with the Atomics carving all the tight gates on the flat parts. On the steep I had to chicken once again but still I my time was very good and I came 3rd.

 

The rossis are 209cm but just called the shop and they told me they have a pair of 196cm as well. Are those SG skis mens skis? Or are they womens or jr?

post #11 of 18

A 196 is a junior SG.  The women's length is 201.  You'll also see lengths like 203, 204, 205.  I have two pairs of Atomic 205 SGs, and use them for flatter or more open courses.  I have two pairs of Atomic 201 SGs, which I use for turny courses...

 

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Originally Posted by tdk6 View Post

Thanks once again for your input boyz. Im a big guy, 6foot2 and 95kg. My Atomics are factory order for a guy with the weight 72kg. He used them for one race and then he sold them to a 75kg guy that used them for two races.

 

I took part in two SG competitions this year. In the first one the gates were set far apart and it was very high speed. To my understanding the skis worked fine except that at the steep I had no guts committing to the turns and carve cleanly. I had to skid and brush off some speed. In the second the gates were set closer but I had no problem with the Atomics carving all the tight gates on the flat parts. On the steep I had to chicken once again but still I my time was very good and I came 3rd.

 

The rossis are 209cm but just called the shop and they told me they have a pair of 196cm as well. Are those SG skis mens skis? Or are they womens or jr?



 

post #12 of 18
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Skiracer, thanks for the info. Thats what I thaught. Too bad they dont have a 201 version in stock. I wonder how I should compare the flex between my Atomics and the rossis? By simply bending them or is the a more scientific way I can resort to in the ski shop? This question applies to skis in general. How much does the bending of the ski in the shop tell uss about the skis flexpattern, stiffness and on snow performance?

post #13 of 18


Everything I have is Atomic, and they always write the flex numbers on the tail.  There are different ranges for different disciplines; once I've found some numbers I like for a particular discipline, I just make sure to get the same numbers next time...

 

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Skiracer, thanks for the info. Thats what I thaught. Too bad they dont have a 201 version in stock. I wonder how I should compare the flex between my Atomics and the rossis? By simply bending them or is the a more scientific way I can resort to in the ski shop? This question applies to skis in general. How much does the bending of the ski in the shop tell uss about the skis flexpattern, stiffness and on snow performance?



 

post #14 of 18
Thread Starter 

I would also like to get the Atomic SGs but its a question of cost. I need to get new GS skis and we ski lots of GS competitions compared to SG's. I would also like to go to a camp where I could practise SG.

post #15 of 18
Thread Starter 

Ok, now I bought the 209s. I took the binding as well just to keep it as simple as possible. Comparing to the old Atomics the new Rossis are much much stiffer. Now I understand why I had no problems carving those tight SG gates. And why I had some problems keeping the ski on edge on the high speed icy steeps. So how do I start waxing them? I will not be using them before next season.

post #16 of 18

Take the bindings off, wax/hot scrape them with red two or three times, wax again with red, put them in a hot box for 2 to 3 hours.  In a week or see, repeat hot boxing.  Repeat hot boxing monthly over the summer...

 

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Originally Posted by tdk6 View Post

Ok, now I bought the 209s. I took the binding as well just to keep it as simple as possible. Comparing to the old Atomics the new Rossis are much much stiffer. Now I understand why I had no problems carving those tight SG gates. And why I had some problems keeping the ski on edge on the high speed icy steeps. So how do I start waxing them? I will not be using them before next season.



 

post #17 of 18
Thread Starter 

Hot boxing is something new to me. I know that one company tuning race skis provides this kind of service. So what if I was doing it myself. What would I need? Can I make a hot box myself? I know of some who have been using thier sauna for this kind of ski treatment.

 

BTW, would Volants soft red base wax be good for waxing over the summer? Or should I go for higher quality Volant wax?

post #18 of 18

I have two XLNT articles I wrote on building your own hot box, see below. Any kind of red is basically going to be fine.  HC only, fluoro need not apply...

 

http://www.rmmskiracing.org/articles/RMalm-2006-03-Hotbox.pdf 

 

http://www.rmmskiracing.org/articles/RMalm-2006-03-Hotbox-Part2.pdf 

 

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Originally Posted by tdk6 View Post

Hot boxing is something new to me. I know that one company tuning race skis provides this kind of service. So what if I was doing it myself. What would I need? Can I make a hot box myself? I know of some who have been using thier sauna for this kind of ski treatment.

 

BTW, would Volants soft red base wax be good for waxing over the summer? Or should I go for higher quality Volant wax?



 

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