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If Fischers are "brittle," then what is "solid"???

post #1 of 28
Thread Starter 

Somebody said in another recent thread (which I elected against hijacking) that Fischers were "light" and "brittle."  Owning the Progressor 7+ and the WC RC Pro, I have to agree.  The "solid" and "sturdy" feel I seek isn't quite there.

 

It's no urgent matter, but next fall I'm going to purchase a regulation GS ski (prolly womens, but maybe a full 27m ski), and I'm wondering which regulaion GS skis tend to be "solid" on the snow, even with fast turns and much pressure.  I'm very athletic... I don't care if a ski is hard to turn... what I need is a ski that can handle every bit of force I apply to it.

 

What brand would be best for this?  Ghost said Atomics have that "solid" feel, but RaceDude hates Atomics.  I'm so confused.  Any further help/clarification would be appreciated.

post #2 of 28

I hope I'm not complicating things here but ill input my opinion. (and by no mean should any one take this as the bible this is MY OPINION).

 

What i have heard.  I have heard (never tried) that fishers and blizzards are stiff skis but i guess that is based on your size.  I am roughly 200 lbs and when racing  or free skiing i really "throw my weight around."  I have 180 2010 Volkl Cheaters and these hold up really well IMO.  I absolutely love them. Not sure what their Regulations feel like. I don't know what your budget is and if your are looking for 2011/12 skis next year but fisher has a "stiff" and a "medium"  version of their WC skis. link bellow has fischer, atomic, and rossy 2012 skis

 

Atomic on the other hand, i have never heard a bad think out side of racer dude.  I'm not exactly sure how they feel but i know at least 5 people with a version of their race skis and most of them have multiple pairs.

 

http://www.ski-depot.com/miva/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY&Category_Code=2012skis_a

 

hope this helped a little

post #3 of 28
Thread Starter 

skisalot thanks for thoughts and the link.  Pretty exciting seeing the next year's skis already listed at ski-depot!  The fischer flex thing looks interesting.  I'd prolly want to hear more about the performance before buying that (as I really can't demo race skis where I'm from).

 

Did Ghost mean "chattery" when he said "brittle"???

 

What I am looking for are heavy skis that feel like I am standing atop two blue whales... just beefy, long, and with plenty of blubber to absorb all the chatter from ruts and snow imperfections.

post #4 of 28

I feel fuzzy inside to be mentioned 

 

Anyways, I don't hate Atomic, I hate the D2.  Non-D2 Atomics are nice and a fun ski, not usually my first choice, but still a good ski.  The D2 just makes me angry (going by your example and not thread hijacking though, so I'll move on).  Also I don't think an Atomic is what your looking for.  

If you can I'd try to get out and demo some true race skis.  Having owned the RC4 and played around with the RC and Progressor 10+ I can tell you they have very different feels than the true racer.  Word is that Fischer is re-doing their whole in hole line up next year though, and I haven't seen those yet so I can't judge the 2012 versions.  

 

What are you stats?  Height weight etc?  Rossi's are very solid of a ski, sometimes I feel almost too solid, and they're probably the most flexy race ski so I don't recommend them for anyone but smaller racers.  Going just slightly stiffer, they're Dynastar.  These would probably be my top recommendation, if you don't like the feel of the full out Fischer race ski.  They're made by the same guys who make Rossi, but are a tad stiffer and a much more practical shovel.  I have this years WC cheater (176 w/ 24 R) and they're great.  I skied the 2012 models a few weeks ago and really loved them.  They were super light, even with the demo bindings, and really had a fantastic edge hold.  I was able to go full out on a boiler plate head wall, and the skis preformed fantastic. 

Going up in stiffness we head over to Elan.  Good company, not a great race program anymore.  Unless you get a super duper deal on them, I'd say you're better off with one of the bigger guys.  This brings us to Blizzard, one seriously great ski.  The issue is you have to be pretty big to use it.  I'm small, 5' 7" and 145#, and Blizzard WC can throw me around a bit.  The biggest difference around Blizzard is that they don't just put 2 plates of Ti (like most brands do) but they actually put an extra 2 strips of magnesium perpendicular to the base of the ski running along the ski wall.  Essentially you have a box of metal-- magnesium strip on sidewalls with a plate of Ti above and below them.  This makes Blizzard not just laterally stiff but also torsionally stiff.  Even stiff is HEAD, with their new fancy dancy KERS.  Great ski, wouldn't recommend it coming off of an RC unless you weigh a ton,  Going to a ski that's too stiff will make it hard to ski because you won't be able to flex it.  

 

Anywho in case you didn't read all of that, I put them in order by my recommendation.

 

1) Fischer RC4*

Other honorable mentions to check out, depending on your weight- Rossi, Dynastar, Blizzard 

 

 

*I haven't even flexed the 2012's, so my quick review is based on the RC4 in-holes circa 2009-2011

 

post #5 of 28
Thread Starter 

Wow, thanks RaceDude.  That was very helpful, and I'll keep it in mind when I decide on a ski next fall.

 

As for my stats.. 5'7", 185 (so same height as you, but a good deal heavier).  The trouble I ran into on the Fischer RC skis is that if I really put energy into them around a gate and there was some questionable snow conditions (even if perfect snow), they are just not as sturdy and stable as I require. 

 

I'm not some kind of weight-lifter freak, but my legs are pretty strong and with the RC Pros when I'm just cruising around I have that sensation of "gee if I just really press on these things they are going to limp out"  It's hard to explain.  Maybe some of that has to do with the length of the skis given my weight and skiing style.

 

Based on your advice I guess I would now be considering Rossi and Blizzard first, and maybe the medium-flex Fischer race model (if I read correctly you said HEAD is even stiffer than blizzard?  yikes, I thought it would be cool to match my boots but I guess I'm not going to be looking at them, then).  It's good to hear the rossis are "stable," as that is really the one asset that would probably be most beneficial to me right now.


Edited by Vitamin Ski - 4/3/11 at 9:32pm
post #6 of 28
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They're made by the same guys who make Rossi, but are a tad stiffer and a much more practical shovel. 

??? Rossi makes Dynastar race skis? Or vice versa?
 

 

post #7 of 28

Don't get me wrong, but do you really think any race stock ski will be too soft for you, while on the other side it's stiff enough for guys, who don't really weight 50kg either, and can win WC races on pure ice? ;) Personally I think a whole lot of people bother way too much about skis... skis which they hardly bend, yet they feel "they are too soft for them" ;) I'm pretty sure 99% of people here couldn't tell difference between Atomic, Fischer, Rossignol or any other race stock ski if they would have chance to ski them, and those skis would have top sheets covered ;)

post #8 of 28
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Originally Posted by BoredAtBMBW View Post

Did Ghost mean "chattery" when he said "brittle"???

Definitely not.  My 165 cm RC4 WC SCs do not chatter.
 

 

post #9 of 28
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Originally Posted by BoredAtBMBW View Post

As for my stats.. 5'7", 185 (so same height as you, but a good deal heavier).  The trouble I ran into on the Fischer RC skis is that if I really put energy into them around a gate and there was some questionable snow conditions (even if perfect snow), they are just not as sturdy and stable as I require. 

 

Holy limp noodles Batman!  How short did you get those puppies?  Are you skiing SL turns on them?  confused.gif  Were they skied out before you got them? 

 

They are softer than GS, but I'll be surprised if they fold up on 180 lb skier making gs turns.
 

 

post #10 of 28
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Definitely not.  My 165 cm RC4 WC SCs do not chatter.
 

 

The Fischer Progressor RC, Fischer WC SC, and Fischer SLC all look almost exactly the same but preform somewhat differently.  The WC version is the stiffer of the whole "consumer race" line up.  Do yours have the semi in-holes? (holes but with a plastic overlay)

 

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Originally Posted by BoredAtBMBW View Post

Wow, thanks RaceDude.  That was very helpful, and I'll keep it in mind when I decide on a ski next fall.

 

As for my stats.. 5'7", 185 (so same height as you, but a good deal heavier).  The trouble I ran into on the Fischer RC skis is that if I really put energy into them around a gate and there was some questionable snow conditions (even if perfect snow), they are just not as sturdy and stable as I require. 

 

I'm not some kind of weight-lifter freak, but my legs are pretty strong and with the RC Pros when I'm just cruising around I have that sensation of "gee if I just really press on these things they are going to limp out"  It's hard to explain.  Maybe some of that has to do with the length of the skis given my weight and skiing style.

 

Based on your advice I guess I would now be considering Rossi and Blizzard first, and maybe the medium-flex Fischer race model (if I read correctly you said HEAD is even stiffer than blizzard?  yikes, I thought it would be cool to match my boots but I guess I'm not going to be looking at them, then).  It's good to hear the rossis are "stable," as that is really the one asset that would probably be most beneficial to me right now.

 

Yeah HEAD would probably not be the best idea, unless you're able to flex through everything else which is probably unlikely.  HEAD pre-olympic were one fo the flexyer skis on the market, but then they signed Bode and he got to run the show.  Everything they make today is pretty much made for him and they let us mere mortals buy it too if we want.  The other reason you might be getting that feeling from your current Fischers is I think they are one of the multi-R skis.  The R is something like 14+17 right?  Meaning the top 20% of the ski is designed for a 14m radius while the bottom 80% is designed for a 17m radius.  This makes them feel unstableish when you really get them dug in and angulated.

I wouldn't be too worried about going with a Fischer race stock (but like I said, I'm withholding judgement on the new Fischers until I ski them), they're much different than consumer skis.  If you're ever around Rochester shoot me a PM and I'll let you take mine out for a bit. 

 

The good thing is that you're right on that "perfect" weight, you shouldn't have too much trouble flexing and of those 4 brands. 

 

 

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??? Rossi makes Dynastar race skis? Or vice versa?

 


Dynastar, Look, Lange, and Rossi are all owned by the "Rossignol Group,"  I believe Rossi bought the other 3.  Similar to the Tecnica Group, which owns Tecnica and Blizzard, along with some other stuff.  K2 also owns a ton of different companies.  When you really look at it, a few companies pretty much control most of the market. 



 

 

post #11 of 28
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Originally Posted by BoredAtBMBW View Post

...Fischers were "light" and "brittle."  Owning the Progressor 7+ and the WC RC Pro, I have to agree.  The "solid" and "sturdy" feel I seek isn't quite there..

 

It's no urgent matter, but next fall I'm going to purchase a regulation GS ski (prolly womens, but maybe a full 27m ski), and I'm wondering which regulaion GS skis tend to be "solid" on the snow, even with fast turns and much pressure.  I'm very athletic... I don't care if a ski is hard to turn... what I need is a ski that can handle every bit of force I apply to it.

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What I am looking for are heavy skis that feel like I am standing atop two blue whales... just beefy, long, and with plenty of blubber to absorb all the chatter from ruts and snow imperfections.

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Originally Posted by BoredAtBMBW View Post

As for my stats.. 5'7", 185 (so same height as you, but a good deal heavier).  The trouble I ran into on the Fischer RC skis is that if I really put energy into them around a gate and there was some questionable snow conditions (even if perfect snow), they are just not as sturdy and stable as I require. 

I'm not some kind of weight-lifter freak, but my legs are pretty strong and with the RC Pros when I'm just cruising around I have that sensation of "gee if I just really press on these things they are going to limp out"  It's hard to explain.  Maybe some of that has to do with the length of the skis given my weight and skiing style.


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so what size are you skiin?

you are talkin GS skis for GS events?

 

qu'est-ce que c'est 'Blubber' ?


 

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Dynastar, Look, Lange, and Rossi are all owned by the "Rossignol Group,"  I believe Rossi bought the other 3.  Similar to the Tecnica Group, which owns Tecnica and Blizzard, along with some other stuff.  K2 also owns a ton of different companies.  When you really look at it, a few companies pretty much control most of the market. 

 

 

and the supposition is ?

 

(k2-Line-Volkl) & (Atomic-Salomon) ?

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post #12 of 28

He's on a 170, which may account for some of the flexyness also.  

I wouldn't recommend getting anything less than a 175 at your height and weight.
 

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popcorn.gif

so what size are you skiin?

you are talkin GS skis for GS events?

 

qu'est-ce que c'est 'Blubber' ?


 

 

and the supposition is ?

 

(k2-Line-Volkl) & (Atomic-Salomon) ?

popcorn.gif


 

 

post #13 of 28

Having owned both pairs of Fischer; RC4 WC RC- R15m. in 170cm and Fis legal RC4 WC GS hole skis R>  27m. I would say there is nothing "brittle" about either one of them...  They are rock solid... Of course,there is no comparison at all between 27m FIS legal GS ski and 15m WC RC.... Even if you had RC4 WC RC in 180cm with 17m. radius, they will not be much more different than 170, cause they have  big sidecut, not exactly GS skis like...

 

I had an Atomic D2 SL/race stock and find them much more stable at speed, than Fischer WC RC, even at 165cm compared to 170 cm, PERIOD...

For NASTAR courses cheater D2 GS would be an excellent choice, IMO... Otherwise look into some 23m FIS GS skis... GL...

 

post #14 of 28

 

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Otherwise look into some 23m FIS GS skis...

 

like the Dynastar Course WC biggrin.gif

 

post #15 of 28
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Originally Posted by RaceDude View Post

The Fischer Progressor RC, Fischer WC SC, and Fischer SLC all look almost exactly the same but preform somewhat differently.  The WC version is the stiffer of the whole "consumer race" line up.  Do yours have the semi in-holes? (holes but with a plastic overlay)

 

 

I have the generation just before the holy skis.

 

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No problems with stability at all, even when pushed past their design speed (including quite a few runs in the 60 mph range).

At first the feeling  (not as solid feeling as say Atomic SX skis) was a little disconcerting (I was used to old-school SG skis), but once trusted and put to task, they performed excellently.

 

 

post #16 of 28
Thread Starter 

Mine have a hole, expect there is a thin layer of p-tex from the base of the ski, which goes unitrerrupted.  I'm confused at the different styles of "holes" on Fischer skis... I've seen clear plastic, p-tex (like mine), and true 100% open-air holes.  I would actually never buy those, because I never ski injected snow, and the last thing I need is the flat tip of the ski impaling the hill.  I'm assuming all of the true race-stock have open holes?

 

Blizzard looks nice.  Prolly what I'll get.  From browsing reviews here and hearing anecdotal bits it seems that everybody loves Blizzard.  I hope they don't sell out on ski-depot by the time I'm ready to buy them.  It is interesting they are among the highest-priced race stock skis, prolly meaning they are the most popular, which prolly means they work.  Interesting that D2 race stocks are 200 dollars cheaper.  Rossis are also expensive, so that is a good sign about their quality.

 

 

Nobody mentioned Nordica.  I learned from reading here that unlike some companies the Nordica race stock you can buy from retailers is the same ski that FIS and NorAm Nordica racers use (but of course not WC).

 

 

Another thing I'll add, just from observation... not that it should matter for the average epicski consumer, but on the WC tour there are some really popular brands (HEAD, Atomic, Fischer, Rossignol) making up seemingly 90% of the market.  Then just a few nordica, blizzard, stockli, and solomons.  Hopefully that has no correlation to the quality of the consumer race models.

post #17 of 28
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Another thing I'll add, just from observation... not that it should matter for the average epicski consumer, but on the WC tour there are some really popular brands (HEAD, Atomic, Fischer, Rossignol) making up seemingly 90% of the market.  Then just a few nordica, blizzard, stockli, and solomons.  Hopefully that has no correlation to the quality of the consumer race models.

No, it does not. by the way, have you ever heard of volkl? not sure why they are missing from your list. they ain't brittle in case you are wondering.
post #18 of 28

I'm 5'7" and 160-165lbs, and have no trouble bending the Head i.GS RD's I've got.  Mine are the pre-KERS women's version with the 23.6m radius, in 178cm.  I use them for tooling around and making sure that I'm not getting lazy, but given that you've got 20lbs on me, I wouldn't think you'd have trouble bending them.

post #19 of 28
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Mine have a hole, expect there is a thin layer of p-tex from the base of the ski, which goes unitrerrupted.  I'm confused at the different styles of "holes" on Fischer skis... I've seen clear plastic, p-tex (like mine), and true 100% open-air holes.  I would actually never buy those, because I never ski injected snow, and the last thing I need is the flat tip of the ski impaling the hill.  I'm assuming all of the true race-stock have open holes?  They like Dynastar make a crap load of race-ish skis, and just see what sells best.  If you're not going to get a true in-hole race ski though you should probably just cross it off your list.  

 

Blizzard looks nice.  Prolly what I'll get.  From browsing reviews here and hearing anecdotal bits it seems that everybody loves Blizzard.  I hope they don't sell out on ski-depot by the time I'm ready to buy them.  It is interesting they are among the highest-priced race stock skis, prolly meaning they are the most popular, which prolly means they work.  Interesting that D2 race stocks are 200 dollars cheaper.  Rossis are also expensive, so that is a good sign about their quality.  Ski Depot prices confuse me.  I know the owner is around Epic somewhere so maybe he'll jump in.  The prices at the store I work in are usually cheaper, sometimes by $200+  Either way if you can't find one you like online let me know and I'm sure I can hook you up.

 

 

Nobody mentioned Nordica.  I learned from reading here that unlike some companies the Nordica race stock you can buy from retailers is the same ski that FIS and NorAm Nordica racers use (but of course not WC).  Nordica makes fine skis, nothing to write home about, but they're not bad.  The reason they get left behind is because there's not Nordica "thing".  Fischer has it's in-hole "thing" Blizzi has magnesium sidewall HEAD is super stiff Rossi has a wide shovel even Volkl has it's wax-able sidewall "thing"  Nordica is just Nordica.  

 

 

Another thing I'll add, just from observation... not that it should matter for the average epicski consumer, but on the WC tour there are some really popular brands (HEAD, Atomic, Fischer, Rossignol) making up seemingly 90% of the market.  Then just a few nordica, blizzard, stockli, and solomons.  Hopefully that has no correlation to the quality of the consumer race models.  Not really because most skiers are no where near as strong as WC skiers, and we get paid a lot less to ski.  Wait we actually pay TO ski!  Completely different from what Bode does.  



 



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Another thing I'll add, just from observation... not that it should matter for the average epicski consumer, but on the WC tour there are some really popular brands (HEAD, Atomic, Fischer, Rossignol) making up seemingly 90% of the market.  Then just a few nordica, blizzard, stockli, and solomons.  Hopefully that has no correlation to the quality of the consumer race models.



No, it does not. by the way, have you ever heard of volkl? not sure why they are missing from your list. they ain't brittle in case you are wondering.  They're not brittle but they're not stable either.  


 

post #20 of 28
Thread Starter 


I'm sorry if I offended you by leaving them out of my list (which was by no means supposed to be an all-inclusive summary of pro equipment).  I take it from your join-date to post count your presence here is business related (are you affiliated with Volkl?)  Of course I've heard of them.  I saw Jimmy Cochran's Volkls up close at the Nastar Nationals.  I would, however, put them in the category of "occasionally seen," perhaps corroborated by the fact that I didn't even think to put them on a "list."

 

I've heard initially Volkls were too soft, then to compensate this year they added "too much" metal and are now too stiff (I am quoting others at epicski).  I personally don't like the graphics (giant "volkl" printed on topsheet) and purple skis.... and yes, in my own personal opinion that does matter to me.

 

I'll keep them on the list, though, cause when I actually am planning on buying skis the most popular models might already be sold out on ski-depot.  And from the price of Volkl, it seems (at leastin ski-depot's estimation) they are more valuable skis than atomics.  So that is a starting point.

 

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Another thing I'll add, just from observation... not that it should matter for the average epicski consumer, but on the WC tour there are some really popular brands (HEAD, Atomic, Fischer, Rossignol) making up seemingly 90% of the market.  Then just a few nordica, blizzard, stockli, and solomons.  Hopefully that has no correlation to the quality of the consumer race models.



No, it does not. by the way, have you ever heard of volkl? not sure why they are missing from your list. they ain't brittle in case you are wondering.


 

post #21 of 28
I can vouche for HEAD RD skis, I would describe them as the AMG S-class of skis. Soilid, fast, powerful, and very capable.
Edited by Richie-Rich - 4/5/11 at 6:40pm
post #22 of 28

I would say HEAD is the most stable race ski out there, if you can flex them.  Coming off a Fischer RC that's a huge if, and they're not very "friendly" of a ski unless you're able to control them.  
 

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I can voiche for HEAD RD skis, I would describe them as the AMG S-class of skis. Soilid, fast, powerful, and very capable.


 

post #23 of 28
Thread Starter 

(BoredatBMBW is kicking himself as he had the chance to demo HEAD race stock for free at NASTAR Nationals, but opted against it because he wanted to get in as much freeskiing as possible, and because all the snow left no smooth groomers that day)hissyfit.gif

 

Given the nature of Lower Hughes course, I considered demoing them for a run, since I was sucking anyway.  Then I came to my senses and thought going from 15 to 24 or 27 meters abruptly would have been a bad idea, even if the 15 additional centimeters might have stabilized me

post #24 of 28

 

RankBrandPoints

1Head7525.00

2Atomic5165.00

3Rossignol3150.00

4Fischer2905.00

5Salomon2595.00

6Voelkl1330.00

7Nordica1220.00

8Stoeckli1060.00

9Blizzard590.00

10Dynastar290.00

11Elan255.00

 

In case you were wondering here is a list of ski brands based on the number of points they had gained on the world cup.  there are some brands that are beginning to catch on more but it pretty much says what you said in terms of the top brands out there.

 

And Bored @ i wouldn't worry to much about them being sold out of any brand. (unless you wait until next March)  they always have a good supply.  If in the rare occurrence that does happen i have a whole host of other website i have found that have good deals.  If you would like this just PM me and i will be glad to share.  (ski-depot has the best overall that I have found).

post #25 of 28

^^^ That doesn't mean that Head is the best ski out there at all.. IMO...

 

Signing up the very best of the WC means good sponsorship program and proper marketing strategy...

Can you tell the percentage of racers skiing on HEAD vs. ones on Atomic or Fischer perhaps... Thanks...

post #26 of 28
Thread Starter 

 

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^^^ That doesn't mean that Head is the best ski out there at all.. IMO...

 

Signing up the very best of the WC means good sponsorship program and proper marketing strategy...

Can you tell the percentage of racers skiing on HEAD vs. ones on Atomic or Fischer perhaps... Thanks...



Head does have an AGGRESSIVE marketing program to have so many elite WC athletes using HEAD skis.  It's funny, because they don't have that much of a consumer presence, even online (I know this has been said before here by other people).  I know as of late alot of people would want to support an American company... but the options to buy HEAD ski stuff just aren't there as much relative to other brands, which are sold everywhere.

 

Also, on the HEAD website you can't even read descriptions of their race stock skis.  It's like they are too good for the public.

 

I'm not quite sure what their goal is with that aggressive marketing.  One possibility is that for skiers at the WC level, HEAD race skis actually are better (i.e. maybe some of those skiers choose HEAD, rather than the other way around (even if they are getting paid to choose it)).

post #27 of 28
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Head does have an AGGRESSIVE marketing program to have so many elite WC athletes using HEAD skis.  It's funny, because they don't have that much of a consumer presence, even online (I know this has been said before here by other people).  I know as of late alot of people would want to support an American company... but the options to buy HEAD ski stuff just aren't there as much relative to other brands, which are sold everywhere.

 

Also, on the HEAD website you can't even read descriptions of their race stock skis.  It's like they are too good for the public.

 

I'm not quite sure what their goal is with that aggressive marketing.  One possibility is that for skiers at the WC level, HEAD race skis actually are better (i.e. maybe some of those skiers choose HEAD, rather than the other way around (even if they are getting paid to choose it)).


Yeah its very weird.   Last season they did have the RD skis on the site...but that was the only time.  In the past they didnt even have the RD boots on the site.   I used to have a code to get into their hidden corporate website that showed not only their whole global product lineup (they make special skis and boots for Japanese Demo teams) but stuff that wasnt even shown to public yet....before even the winter sports expos.

 

As far as the RD skis go, it might be because they truly are very limited in supply, and so they dont want the general consumer to get his/her hopes up in obtaining them.

 

post #28 of 28

I've heard that HEAD pays more.  They also offer more customization than any other ski brand (rumor has it) for their WC racers.  If Bode wanted a 96mm boot instead of a 95, HEAD would make it just for him.  Few other companies will give their racers that much freedom and customization on their gear.
 

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Head does have an AGGRESSIVE marketing program to have so many elite WC athletes using HEAD skis.  It's funny, because they don't have that much of a consumer presence, even online (I know this has been said before here by other people).  I know as of late alot of people would want to support an American company... but the options to buy HEAD ski stuff just aren't there as much relative to other brands, which are sold everywhere.

 

Also, on the HEAD website you can't even read descriptions of their race stock skis.  It's like they are too good for the public.

 

I'm not quite sure what their goal is with that aggressive marketing.  One possibility is that for skiers at the WC level, HEAD race skis actually are better (i.e. maybe some of those skiers choose HEAD, rather than the other way around (even if they are getting paid to choose it)).



 

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