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Mass Racers, helmet change T or F ?

post #1 of 11
Thread Starter 

One poster on a helmet thread indicated there is a change in the Mass or TARA regulations that requires helmets with chin guards?

 

Sounds like it is outside USSA and TARA?

 

Any factual information ... I remember PARA (PA), policy recommendations being suddenly required for full coverage even in SL.

 

Is this Mass policy, hill policy or some change?

post #2 of 11

At PARA races a chin guard is not required in slalom, and all face protection is prohibited in GS.  I think that matches USSA policy.

post #3 of 11
Thread Starter 

Thanks, hitting Google, I see sites like Whitetail forbids it for racers in free ski or GS .... SL only.

 

Still waiting for TARA but Camden seems to parallel Whitetail.

post #4 of 11

Organized racing in Massachusetts, falls under:

 

  1. FIS
  2. USSA
  3. Buddy Werner
  4. MIAA (high school racing)
  5. NASTAR (!)
  6. Intra-Club

 

My racer races #1 and #2.  I can assure you, he didn't wear a slalom guard for ANY non-slalom races this season.  To add fuel to the fire, there were some SL races where he didn't use his SL bar.  He was not prevented from racing at all this year.

post #5 of 11

I thought it might have been high school (MIAA) racing that saw a rule change for helmets in the 2010-2011 season.  I looked at the rules for 2009-2010 and 2010-2011 and there are no changes to the helmet rules:

 

http://www.miaa.net/ski-alpine-10-11-format.pdf

http://www.miaa.net/ski-alpine-09-10-format.pdf

 

Specifically, section D.5.b

"5. Race Rules
USSA/FIS with MIAA amendments – It is the coaches’ responsibility to inform racers of these rules.
Racers who violate these rules may be disqualified. The racer will run and a decision will be
rendered by the jury at the end of the race.
b. HELMETS: It shall be the sole responsibility of the competitor, or in the case of a minor, the
parents or guardian, to provide a properly fitted helmet specifically manufactured for ski racing
to be worn when required. A hard-shelled helmet specifically designed for skiing must be worn
for alpine skiing."

 

No mention of any SL guard/chin protection...

post #6 of 11

I had an issue over in NY a couple of years ago... drove 7 hours for a race and they wanted to kick me out of the slalom for not having a chin guard... they ended up letting it slide because I was from out of state. Not sure if that rule still applies over there, but it does exist in some states.

post #7 of 11

Never had that issue, and I never wear a guard.  I know, stupid, but they're expensive/I'm lazy.  What mnt was it?
 

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Originally Posted by Rise To The Top View Post

I had an issue over in NY a couple of years ago... drove 7 hours for a race and they wanted to kick me out of the slalom for not having a chin guard... they ended up letting it slide because I was from out of state. Not sure if that rule still applies over there, but it does exist in some states.



 

post #8 of 11
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Originally Posted by RaceDude View Post

Never had that issue, and I never wear a guard.  I know, stupid, but they're expensive/I'm lazy.  What mnt was it?
 



 


Bristol. Not sure if its a 1/2s thing, or if its a statewide thing.

 

post #9 of 11

Hmm I've never heard that they care.  The kid who won the high school races didn't wear one this entire season at Bristol.  
 

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Bristol. Not sure if its a 1/2s thing, or if its a statewide thing.

 



 

post #10 of 11
Thread Starter 

The big question is .... did you read the rules?

 

and

 

Did you read the rules referenced in the rules you read?

 

Your high school racing is possibly apart from the USSA/FIS regulations.  Or is it?

 

Now based on what was said I figured that the HS racing had it's own set of rules and they do .. but, they reference one by one at each level the helmet regulations by default.

 

So .. Pope John rules refer to the NJSIAA (Interscholastic), regulations that bounce off (by direct reference), NCAA and the NCAA says that FIS & USSA helmet rules apply.

 

So, if you actually read each regulation you would find that guards are not required .. in NJ at least.

 

ParentOfRacer ... Note that you missed TARA and they should be #3 in your pecking order.

 

Mass almost makes it sound like they are unique with "by amendment".

 

Some places enforce regulations and others use them as a weapon of choice.  Let me give you a direct quote regarding a start regulation when I questioned it when challenged by an organizer .. "If you try to enforce that I'll kill you".  Needless to say, I didn't.


Edited by Yuki - 4/16/11 at 5:44am
post #11 of 11

No idea what he did for high school racing but for all the J1 races I saw him at he didn't wear a guard
 

Quote:
Originally Posted by Yuki View Post

The big question is .... did you read the rules?

 

and

 

Did you read the rules referenced in the rules you read?

 

Your high school racing is possibly apart from the USSA/FIS regulations.  Or is it?

 

Now based on what was said I figured that the HS racing had it's own set of rules and they do .. but, they reference one by one at each level the helmet regulations by default.

 

So .. Pope John rules refer to the NJSIAA (Interscholastic), regulations that bounce off (by direct reference), NCAA and the NCAA says that FIS & USSA helmet rules apply.

 

So, if you actually read each regulation you would find that guards are not required .. in NJ at least.

 

ParentOfRacer ... Note that you missed TARA and they should be #3 in your pecking order.

 

Mass almost makes it sound like they are unique with "by amendment".

 

Some places enforce regulations and others use them as a weapon of choice.  Let me give you a direct quote regarding a start regulation when I questioned it when challenged by an organizer .. "If you try to enforce that I'll kill you".  Needless to say, I didn't.



 

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