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post #61 of 86
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Thanks for all the great input.  I believe at this time our ordering for further investigation and  visits is:

 

Park City - 3 major mountains in immediate area, major university, major airport, 4 additional major mountains all within about an hour, prices still within reach in many areas.

 

Jackson - major mountain in immediate area, similar weather and setting to where we live now, may be just too expensive

 

Bozeman - significant mountain in immediate area, major mountain(s) within about an hour, university

 

We're probably going to look around Telluride even though it doesn't meet many criteria but because it is close to us and easy to check out.  Then if we still don't feel we have found the right place we will check out Idaho, maybe Steamboat, maybe Glenwood Springs/Carbondale.  

post #62 of 86

Just to point out that not only is Big Sky close to Bozeman, but you've got Bridger Bowl as well.  Similarly, Grand Targhee is only 50 miles or so from Jackson.

 

And to be fair, there are 5 major resorts within an hour of Park City, with at least 3 others (don't forget Snowbasin, as well as Powder Mountain, Sundance, Wolf Mountain?, etc.).

 

Mike

post #63 of 86
I'm just curious, why isn't Mammoth on this list?

Just wondering what it lacks.
post #64 of 86
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I'm just curious, why isn't Mammoth on this list?

Just wondering what it lacks.


OP ruled out CA.

 

post #65 of 86
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I'm just curious, why isn't Mammoth on this list?

Just wondering what it lacks.


It isn't what it lacks it is more a case of what it doesn't lack. California doesn't lack state income tax, or a whacky governor, or a political body that believes it is just easier to raise taxes then to control spending. 

 

post #66 of 86

I too am curious as why there has been no mention of Summit County Colorado as a possible destination.

 

Lovelands A Basin Keystone Copper Breckenridge and Vail would be within 30 minutes and Beaver Creek only a little further.

 

Is it the lack of sophisticated amenities.

 

Pardon my ignorance on this as I am a brit.

post #67 of 86
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I too am curious as why there has been no mention of Summit County Colorado as a possible destination.

 

Lovelands A Basin Keystone Copper Breckenridge and Vail would be within 30 minutes and Beaver Creek only a little further.

 

Is it the lack of sophisticated amenities.

 

Pardon my ignorance on this as I am a brit.

Or possibly the lack of a real ski mountain... j/k guys calm down.
 

 

post #68 of 86
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I too am curious as why there has been no mention of Summit County Colorado as a possible destination.

 

Lovelands A Basin Keystone Copper Breckenridge and Vail would be within 30 minutes and Beaver Creek only a little further.

 

Is it the lack of sophisticated amenities.

 

Pardon my ignorance on this as I am a brit.

 

 

Summit County is out for various reasons.  1) too crowded/busy  2) too much beetle kill  3) restrictive zoning/covenants/regulations  4) lack of housing with land within the price range mentioned

 

Mammoth is out because it is in California, which has repressive taxes, a totally dysfunctional government that is likely to raise taxes even further and an "LA" culture that according to first hand reports is not particularly attractive.
 

 

post #69 of 86
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Reviving this thread.  We chose Park City, UT.  After visiting most of the towns on our list we found Park City to have the best mix of skiing, community and culture and big city conveniences.  Real estate was also very affordable by ski town standards.  We are purchasing a house in the North Snyderville area.

post #70 of 86
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Reviving this thread.  We chose Park City, UT.  After visiting most of the towns on our list we found Park City to have the best mix of skiing, community and culture and big city conveniences.  Real estate was also very affordable by ski town standards.  We are purchasing a house in the North Snyderville area.


 

Nice! Park City's a great town for what you were looking for.

 

I first visited Park City when I lived in Steamboat and was shocked to see how low the real estate prices were. Better overall ski town than Steamboat, imo, and real estate was dirt cheap in comparison.

post #71 of 86

When looking at Utah you might consider a Davis County location.  Half way between the Cottonwood Canyons and Snowbasin/Powder Mountain.  Lots of horse property available and you are usually out of the inversions.  I used to live in Farmington but now live in the Ogden area. Freeway travel much better than it ws in the past and we now have Frontrunner=commuter trains available.

 

The beauty of Utah living as far as skiing goes is the 9 ski areas that are close by.  Biking has picked up a lot in the last 5-10 years with plenty of both paved and dirt trails.  Of course, with 2M to spend you could always get 3 nice 650K places and move with the conditions and seasons.  Wish I had your problem!  Good luck........

post #72 of 86

At the risk of attracting some major abuse from the Westerners on here, the OP sounds like he is looking for Burlington, VT.  Great college town, half hour - 45 minutes from Stowe, Smugglers Notch, Sugarbush, and Jay Peak, all in the argument for the best skiing and snow in the east.  Hour and a half from Montreal.  A good international airport for the 2 or 3 times/year when you want to stoke your "big mountain and terrain" jones.  Lake Champlain for summer water sports.  Plenty of road and mountain biking.

post #73 of 86

My husband and I live in Santa Fe but spend our winters in Utah, skiing mainly at Alta & Snowbird.  We love it.  Even though we're not full-time Utah residents our decision was based on factors somewhat close to yours.  Specifically:

 

1) consistent snowfall and big mountain terrain, including backcountry opportunities

 

2) easy to get to and from (that is, a good airport nearby)

 

4) compatible culture

 

5) more youth-oriented than Santa Fe (yes, universities nearby are great!)

 

6) dog friendly

 

You might think that Park City would have a more compatible culture than the western side of the Wasatch, but as others have noted it feels touristy and, well, fake.  It is a great place to take visiting friends for the occasional dinner or a day of skiing and enjoying the food at Deer Valley.  In contrast, we've found that the strip of land hugging the mountains to the south of I-215 (parts of Cottonwood Heights & Sandy as well as Granite) is peopled by skiers, boarders and otherwise outdoorsy, interesting folk.  Lots of road and mountain biking, too.  To us, it does not feel like a big city -- even though we are minutes away from the million-plus people in the greater SLC area.  We stick close to the mountains.  The area does offer the benefits of a larger city such as good hospitals, universities, airport & restaurants, Whole Foods...  The same could be said for living in Little Cottonwood Canyon.  Alta is a great small community, although having dogs can be an issue there.  And as far as big mountain skiing (even though I really enjoy Snowbasin), the Park City side of the Wasatch does not compare with LCC. 

 

For us, Jackson Hole was the runner-up.  The mountain is simply fantastic.  But the snowfall is not as consistent year in/year out or even throughout each winter.  It can also be a pain to get into and out of.  So we watch the weather and drive up a few times each season, then come back home to Little Cottonwood Canyon.

 

That's my 2 cents.  You are in an enviable position -- enjoy the process & PM me if you decide to go up to Utah!

 

 

 

 

 

 

post #74 of 86

Give us a few years, but here's one option to could work.

 

Manitoba Mountain, Spirit of the Kenai

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Give us a few years, but here's one option to could work.

 

Manitoba Mountain, Spirit of the Kenai

 

Ok, you got my attention.  Nice.  

 

(With regards to the original poster, thanks for not choosing Montana.  We're getting dangerously close to a million people.)
 

 

post #76 of 86
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Reviving this thread.  We chose Park City, UT.  After visiting most of the towns on our list we found Park City to have the best mix of skiing, community and culture and big city conveniences.  Real estate was also very affordable by ski town standards.  We are purchasing a house in the North Snyderville area.


My bad - I missed this posting.  I take back what I said about Park City!

 

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You will love Utah skiing.  Best of luck!  And definitely PM me if you go to Alta/Bird this winter.

 

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Reviving this thread.  We chose Park City, UT.  After visiting most of the towns on our list we found Park City to have the best mix of skiing, community and culture and big city conveniences.  Real estate was also very affordable by ski town standards.  We are purchasing a house in the North Snyderville area.



Cool!  You can be a Canyons/Park City/Deer Valley Ambassador for when I go visit (eventually). 

Congratulations on making a decision.  I imagine filtering through all the advice has been a challenging exercise in weighing variables.  I think it's similar to the mental exercise I sometimes do when I think about where I would move, had I the opportunity.  Someday....

 

post #78 of 86
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Well in case it is useful to others I will elaborate a bit.  We did choose Park City and are under contract on a home there.  Like all "resort" areas it does have a slightly "fake" feeling but we thought it was less fake than say the Avon/Edwards (Vail/Beaver Creek) area, which felt like it was nothing but a resort.  Park City does have many full time residents.  Also many commuters to SLC.  Most of the super huge, super ritzy stuff seems to be around Deer Valley and the rest of the area actually feels rather normal.  The North Synderville area where we are going to live has homes from $400k to $3+ million.  Horse property is relatively cheap and pretty close in by most resort area standards.  And Park City has lots of conveniences that we really miss after living in a very rural area for 5 years.  We lived in Santa Fe, NM, for 18 years before that and got used to a certain level of services and conveniences and, I dare say, sophistication.  And with SLC just 30 minutes down the road you have everything you could want in big city stuff.  And Snowbird/Alta/Solitude/Brighton are an hour away, which is how far I have to drive for skiing now.  Plus I used to live in SLC and have friends in the area so we have a jump start on our social scene.  Most important in the end actually was the fact that SLC has a pretty strong economy and should my telecommuting jobs ever fall apart I have ample employment opportunities in SLC.

 

We visited:

 

Jackson - Thought the town was pretty fake and we were surprised by the lack of sophistication despite the reputation for super wealth in the area.  It failed on our sushi metric which divides population by the number of sushi restaurants.  Property, especially acreage, was super expensive.  We felt that the town had a large transient population - young people there for a few years for the "extreme" experience but have no real intention to stay or any roots int he community.  We also found the permanent, not super rich part of the population to be pretty religious which is not a negative in and of itself but the large, loud anti-abortion protest outside our hotel was not very attractive.  Skiing is limited to Jackson and Targhee and while that is not bad at all it is less than some places.  And the weather can be brutal, especially last winter.

 

Eastern Idaho - Just too small and rural.  Basically the same as we are living now in Pagosa Springs, although Targhee is probably a bit better than Wolf Creek.

 

Steamboat Springs - wonderful town.  Great ski mountain.  Had a very cool vibe and seemed to be a real town to a large extent for a resort.  Horse property relatively close in was pretty cheap.  Negatives were a single ski mountain and its isolation.  It is a decent sized town with decent amenities and conveniences but it is quite a ways from anything else and economically there would be no real local opportunities for me.  This area was third on our list in the end.

 

Avon/Edwards/Eagle - we liked the area but it does feel pretty fake.  Horse property was way too expensive unless we went all the way out to Eagle.  Eagle is a nice little community and we found nice properties there but it is 30-45m to skiing (not counting the parking time which can be a bitch) and the amenities of Edwards/Avon, at least from the properties we could afford . Plus side is that within 90 minutes you do have a lot of skiing. We were concerned that Eagle was just a little too "far from the action" for what we wanted.  Plus again the lack of local employment opportunities was an issue.  This area was still second on our list in the end.

 

Telluride - we really like the area. Horse property is expensive unless you get pretty far out on the mesas.  But in the end Telluride is a very small town that is very far away from everything.  Just too isolated.

 

Durango - very cool town that we like a lot.  Good property prices.  But skiing is limited - Purg is fun but not really big mountain skiing.  Telluride is a few hours away but it is a loong day trip.  And Silverton is fun but not something I would do more than a couple times a season.

 

We considered but did not visit Bozeman, Sun Valley/Ketchum/Hailey, Tahoe.

 

So in the end PC seemed to offer the best mix of all the things we think we want.  With the continued deterioration of the economy the economic issues became much bigger than they were when I started this thread.

 

post #79 of 86

Thanks for the recap Blue Devil. Interesting evolution. Hard to argue with your choice and the excellent skiing very close to a major airport means you'll have lots of visitors.  Best wishes in your new location from a Red Terrapin duck.gif

post #80 of 86

Congrats on the move.  

 

You'll love it there.

post #81 of 86
Thread Starter 

Also please know that I didn't mean to insult anyone's home town or favorite place with my evaluation.  Everyone has their own view.

 

post #82 of 86

Interesting to follow your path!

 

I would pick Steamboat over Avon/Eagle Valley anytime.   If I had your choices to make and I hope to in the next 5 years or so I might end up with you in PC though.  I unlike you don't consider being near a major city a plus...not that SLC qualifies as a "major city".  It is nothing like a LA, Chicago, NY, Dallas Atlanta..... 

It is nice to be near a major hub airport and as you get older the hospitals/health care choices but I'll pass on the other things a big city means.  

 

I'm sure you will love your choice.  We are narrowing our choices and PC is on the list...of course so is the place you left Pagosa Springssmile.gif

post #83 of 86

Where will you get a pass?

post #84 of 86

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We considered but did not visit Bozeman,

 

 

Thank you!
 

 

post #85 of 86

Regarding the anti-abortion protesters in front of your hotel in Jackson, they were a church full of kooks from Kansas- unwanted even by our local right to lifers. 

 

Just gonna quote Pepi Stiegler, "If I had to ski in Park City, .........  I would not ski."

 

Guess your stated first criteria wasn't really your first.

 

That said, Park City is probably better than Jackson in some ways, but skiing most definitely is not one of them.

 

 

post #86 of 86
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Regarding the anti-abortion protesters in front of your hotel in Jackson, they were a church full of kooks from Kansas- unwanted even by our local right to lifers. 

 

Just gonna quote Pepi Stiegler, "If I had to ski in Park City, .........  I would not ski."

 

Guess your stated first criteria wasn't really your first.

 

That said, Park City is probably better than Jackson in some ways, but skiing most definitely is not one of them.

 

 


Well as I pointed out I said "big mountain skiing" not "extreme skiing".  I would certainly consider all three Park City mountains to be big in most senses of the word.  None is really extreme but Canyons and Deer Valley certainly have some challenging terrain, not to mention the back country access.  And given that Alta and Snowbird are both within an hours drive I certainly would consider that my criteria of being close to big mountain skiing has been met quite well.  I greatly value the variety available from 8 major mountains within an hour or so drive.

 

We certainly didn't base our decision in any big way on the anti-abortion protest and I probably shouldn't have mentioned it.  In many ways that matter to me and my family Park City is just a much, much better choice and even as far as skiing is concerned I would at least make an argument that Park City is superior when you consider the total picture within an hours drive.

 

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