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Are these good pants?

post #1 of 18
Thread Starter 

Hi all,


I am a complete beginner (I skied only 2 days), and I just bought these pants from my local ski shop:



Are these good pants for a beginner?

Someone told me that 5000mm/g is not enough, so I should only look on pants with 10,000mm/g or higher values.

What do you think?




post #2 of 18

If they rip, leak, or leave you cold they're not good.  If they hold up well and keep you dry and warm, they're great.  Since you've already bought them use them and find out.

post #3 of 18

A lot depends on were you ski.   5000 might not be enough in the PNW, but it would normally be fine in Colorado.   Obermeyer makes pretty good stuff for it's price point.

post #4 of 18

Look pretty good to me. They're insulated. You'll discover whether you like that or not.

For a beginner they're great. If it's 50 degrees out you might not be so happy, but it really doesn't matter. You got some pants, they're water resistant at least. They're not jeans, you're in good shape!

Clearly you're not the type to shop obsessively for street clothes? Otherwise, you'd realize they're just one amongst many, and you're allowed to have as many as you want. There's people here who change outfits everyday, sometimes in the afternoon. Then there's people who've been wearing the same pants for years.

You didn't even ask us "how do I look in these?"...smile.gif


Welcome to the world of skiing!

post #5 of 18

Obermeyer makes good stuff at a decent price.  The pants have an outer material made nylon which is good.  Polyester and nylon blends tear easier.  The outer material also is a weave that is designed to breath.  The pants have scuff guards which help prevent edge cuts, something snowboard pants lack which is why you should avoid them.  As for amount of insulation, breathability, etc. that's all pretty much personal taste.  The only thing these pants are missing that I normally want is side zippers for ventilation.

post #6 of 18

5K is good enough.


post #7 of 18

^^^^ Disagree. First, virtually anything on the market claims 5K; a simple spray coating will accomplish that. See how it holds up in a year. Second, if you're sitting on a lift seat, in the slush/rain, with your posterior pressing into the water, you're accomplishing the same pressure as a driving tropical rainstorm. I've found that 10-25K is reliable, 5K maybe...


That said, OP, you bought a respectable brand, and I suspect they'll be fine. Like everyone says, go find out. Or check here before plunking down your $$. wink.gif

post #8 of 18

so many deals out there right now, The Clymb was blowing out Trew gear yesterday at 60% off and that is some really great stuff. Check out Sierra trading post, EVO gear,  The department of goods, Christy's and of course, the sponsors right here for really killer deals. 5K will last you about 10 days; If you are serious about skiing and have the money, its much better in the long run to buy something good that will last and has good features (like vents, good pockets, adjustable waiste, decent kick protection durable materials). IMHO you need at least 10K/10K. If you are skiing in small resorts that's one thing but if you are going to be outside all day and in changeable weather, having good gear that is wind-proof, breathable and H20-proof just makes sense.

post #9 of 18
Originally Posted by agent.5 View Post

5K is good enough.


Bring your 5k to Mt Hood in storm, and see how much fun you have.


post #10 of 18

especially for spring skiing. Sitting on a lift and normal abrasion and wear will rub that spray on 5K DWR in a very short amount of time. 

post #11 of 18

No doubt y'all are right, but here's the description of the fabric:


An exclusive HydroBlock III polyurethane hydrophilic coating is applied to the underside of the fabric to make the pants waterproof but breathable and offers superior performance.

So it'll wear off from the inside. Clearly that's how it's low cost, it's a coating as opposed to a membrane sandwich.

post #12 of 18

Define "good."  If they keep you warm and dry, that's all you need.  If it's really, really cold, wear some silk (or other) underwear underneath them.  If it's really, really warm, don't!  drool.gif

post #13 of 18

Noam, why not tell us where you generally will be skiing. If you won't be sitting on slushy chairlifts or in the snow or skiing in the rain or heavy wet snow when the temps hover in the mid 30s then they will be fine.


If you answer yes to any of the above you want something constructed with a permanent waterproof laminate on the inside of the fabric. The problem with the pants is less the rating then the method they use to achieve it which use a chemical coating instead of a membrane.


There are better pants available now at low end of season prices.

post #14 of 18
Originally Posted by ecimmortal View Post

Bring your 5k to Mt Hood in storm, and see how much fun you have.


"in storm"?  I have my vintage one piece suit for that.  How often do you ski "in storm"?  Not often.


post #15 of 18

Have you forgotten that OP is


"I am a complete beginner (I skied only 2 days)"

Maybe not everyone is or wants to be a carbon copy of you.  I will skip the person insults, as you are really a nobody.


EDIT CIRQUERIDER:  The original and quoted post from ecimmortal was deleted for violating guidelines.  Please use the post report function next time.

post #16 of 18

Gee, guys.. chill, will ya...  

OP is way ahead of many beginners with a 5K pant.  Much better than skiing in jeans.  Having said that, 5K is really not enough for serious prolonged skiing in the wet storm conditions, especially in the wet/warm climates of Sierras and Pacific NorthWest.  In cold climates, of places with drier snow or for occasional skiing, 5K may be sufficient.    Still, blanket statement of "5K is enough" is really not true, depends on the circumstances.  If you are a serious skier and want a dry butt from 9 to 4, your pants need to be 20,000.    

post #17 of 18

I hope he didn't pay that much for a 5k pant. The site he linked was showing 100 dollars. I just paid 150 for 20k Gore-tex pants.

post #18 of 18

So you paid 50 percent more for 200 percent more product. Just like buying soda.Well, I'm glad the op didn't buy a cheap helmet at the same time. Wait....did you buy a helmet?..






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