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Do you use HARD CH waxes on area under your bindings?

post #1 of 6
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Hello,

 

(to start off I'll say I ran a search but all I turned up was that CH3/CH4 is a royal bitch to scrape, but didn't find too much further detail on it's benefits)

 

Even with relatively thick layers (i.e. not-quiet-complete scraping and sub-par brushing) of my warm weather moly flouro wax (and even my warm weather hydrocarbon) wears off under the bindings after just 4000 vertical feet.  On racing days, even when I have an overlay, this isn't optimal.  But worse, on freeskiing days when trying to have fun I'd rather not have to carry around my F4 paste wax or buy something else to lug around the hill just to maintain performance.

 

So, the question is:  is is worth the extra time/hassle to put a super-hard wax under the bindings to make that area's wax-cover last longer???

 

Also, "warm" snow isn't necessarily soft.  In fact, loose granular can be hard as rock (on a microscopic scale)... therefore why have a softer wax?  Also, when you have pine needles, sticks, twigs, mud, and other crap, won't a harder wax resist that better?

 

(btw, I know that SWIX school teaches this in the "racing" section, but I wasn't sure what people actually do).

post #2 of 6
Thread Starter 

I just got a reply from Dr. D about this (I asked him similar thing in a PM), and as always he was helpful, recommending CH3.

 

 

But I still am curious as to how many of you actually use this, how easy/time-consuming it is to apply, and troubleshooting issues.

post #3 of 6

At the beginning of the season, as part of pre-season prep and after three iterations of hot wax and scrape for cleaning, I put on CH 4 as base protection for the whole ski.  Once that is all scraped and brushed, I wait until the season is near to pick the "first" wax for the ski. 

 

As the season continues, I use Racewax's green hydro along the edges for about 1/4 inch inwards along the whole length of the ski, crayoned on from end to end before applying whatever the wax is for the next day out, no matter if it's green/red/ or uni.  After an entire season of this, the ski holds up pretty darn good come spring conditions, at which point I actually STOP that carrying on because I'm more interested in open structure than anything else and after a whole season, I figure the green stuff is well in there anyway.

 

This is for NW Montana, where for most of the first half of the winter, I'd be putting on green anyway, but the point is even if a warmer spell in around, I do the edges in green. 

post #4 of 6


CH3 isn't a bitch to scrape because you don't have to use it alone.  Use it in conjunction with the wax of the day to fortify it.

 

From the Swix catalog:

Swix CH3 Cold Powder is a special synthetic hydrocarbon powder wax to add to other waxes for increased durability in icy and very cold conditions. For especially abrasive snow, such as newly man-made snow.

To apply melt the wax of your choice on the ski and then sprinkle CH3 over the wax while still warm. Iron the CH3 powder into the wax layer. Allow to cool, then scrape and brush away excess.

 

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Hello,

 

(to start off I'll say I ran a search but all I turned up was that CH3/CH4 is a royal bitch to scrape, but didn't find too much further detail on it's benefits)

 

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Do you use HARD CH waxes on area under your bindings?

I read this and though someone was considering putting wax BETWEEN the binding and topsheetsroflmao.gif

post #6 of 6


I submit for your consideration 3 thoughts:

 

 - you might be using too soft a wax for your conditions, most especially if you're skiing manmade snow

 - a thinner layer is actually harder to rip off the ski.

 - you might be using too much wax.

 

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Even with relatively thick layers (i.e. not-quiet-complete scraping and sub-par brushing) of my warm weather moly flouro wax (and even my warm weather hydrocarbon) wears off under the bindings after just 4000 vertical feet.

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