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post #1 of 28
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It seems to me that we are seeing more and more commercial interests in the Ski, Gear and Review forums. I thought that all members that make money from the ski industry, be it goods or services were to have INSIDER with their names, no? Now I'm not going to comment on the good/bad of their presence in these forums. But I feel they should be identified for all to see.

 

How about a $$$ symbol next to their name?

 

 

post #2 of 28
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Originally Posted by Rossi Smash View Post

 I'm not going to comment on the good/bad of their presence in these forums.

 

 


Well, I will.  More and more lately I've noticed ads disguised as posts about various topics.  Someone asks about lodging somewhere and a poster says, "contact me/us for information about this," etc.  Often these posts use the same language over and over.  I've turned a few of these in as spam but they keep on showing up, and sometimes from members who have numbers of posts.  Don't like it at all.

 

post #3 of 28
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Originally Posted by Rossi Smash View Post

It seems to me that we are seeing more and more commercial interests in the Ski, Gear and Review forums. I thought that all members that make money from the ski industry, be it goods or services were to have INSIDER with their names, no? Now I'm not going to comment on the good/bad of their presence in these forums. But I feel they should be identified for all to see.

 

How about a $$$ symbol next to their name?

 

 


They might have "Insider", "Sponsor" or "Bootfitter". I would think for someone like yourself who likes scouring for a deal would appreciate all of your options? beercheer.gif

 

post #4 of 28
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Originally Posted by Philpug View Post




They might have "Insider", "Sponsor" or "Bootfitter". I would think for someone like yourself who likes scouring for a deal would appreciate all of your options? beercheer.gif

 



I'm not saying it's good or bad, but not all are identified as people that make money off the ski industry. Their "motives" for certain posts can directly affect their pocketbooks and should be taken as such.

 

It's not just skiers talking here, there IS money to be made and I think we have the right to know who they "are".

 

post #5 of 28
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Originally Posted by Rossi Smash View Post





I'm not saying it's good or bad, but not all are identified as people that make money off the ski industry. Their "motives" for certain posts can directly affect their pocketbooks and should be taken as such.

 

It's not just skiers talking here, there IS money to be made and I think we have the right to know who they "are".

 


You are a smart guy..I think you can read between the lines of who is who and who is here that is truly trying to help and who is out for themselves. Almost the same can be said from the other side...what members are here just for themselves pulling out information and not giving anything back...we have a right to know who these people are too. wink.gif

 

post #6 of 28
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Originally Posted by Philpug View Post




You are a smart guy..I think you can read between the lines of who is who and who is here that is truly trying to help and who is out for themselves. Almost the same can be said from the other side...what members are here just for themselves pulling out information and not giving anything back...we have a right to know who these people are too. wink.gif

 



That's easy....just look for "SUPPORTER", if it's not there.....   th_dunno-1[1].gif

 

post #7 of 28

Are you suggesting we have a tag that says "Leach"?

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post #8 of 28

How about "Shill?"

post #9 of 28
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Originally Posted by Posaune View Post

How about "Shill?"



Yeah, that's really what the danger is.....

 

If you're representing a skiing industry buisness let us know it!

 

post #10 of 28

I think it's pretty clear that when someone has an URL in their signature section, they're making money off skis.

post #11 of 28
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Originally Posted by RaceDude View Post

I think it's pretty clear that when someone has an URL in their signature section, they're making money off skis.


I didn't like the banner ads some had at one point but a little subtle marketing doesn't hurt anyone. You have the make the step to  click the link  .It's not in your face like the usual advert. Let them earn what they can ,if for no reason that it's good for our economy though more so theirs.  What's wrong with commerce that benefits both parties ?

 

post #12 of 28

Who cares what a tag says as long as people are attempting to answer questions.  Buyer/reader beware.  Maybe we need more detailed Instructor tags too so we can alert people that they are only getting the PSIA side of the technical advice, or how about detailed mogul technique instructor badgesrolleyes.gif  If you rely on the internet for AL your information about ANYTHING then that comes with caveats.  Rossi Smash should probably have a badge that says "Vintage Gear Dealer" if we want to get that granular in our level of full disclosure.  The more I think of it it would be nice for different vendor reps to have detailed badges that list the brands they rep for but it is probably best that they do that on their own using their signature to keep things current.  It shouldn't be a requirement though.

post #13 of 28
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Who cares what a tag says as long as people are attempting to answer questions.  Buyer/reader beware.  Maybe we need more detailed Instructor tags too so we can alert people that they are only getting the PSIA side of the technical advice, or how about detailed mogul technique instructor badgesrolleyes.gif  If you rely on the internet for AL your information about ANYTHING then that comes with caveats.  Rossi Smash should probably have a badge that says "Vintage Gear Dealer" if we want to get that granular in our level of full disclosure.  The more I think of it it would be nice for different vendor reps to have detailed badges that list the brands they rep for but it is probably best that they do that on their own using their signature to keep things current.  It shouldn't be a requirement though.

"Dealer" as in "Crack"

Wait, those guys sell stuff, not buy and collect their own product. hmmm...not sure what tag we could put on him that can be printed.

 

 

post #14 of 28
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Originally Posted by crgildart View Post

Who cares what a tag says as long as people are attempting to answer questions.  Buyer/reader beware.  Maybe we need more detailed Instructor tags too so we can alert people that they are only getting the PSIA side of the technical advice, or how about detailed mogul technique instructor badgesrolleyes.gif  If you rely on the internet for AL your information about ANYTHING then that comes with caveats.  Rossi Smash should probably have a badge that says "Vintage Gear Dealer" if we want to get that granular in our level of full disclosure.  The more I think of it it would be nice for different vendor reps to have detailed badges that list the brands they rep for but it is probably best that they do that on their own using their signature to keep things current.  It shouldn't be a requirement though.



Vintage Gear Collector/user......NOT dealer, I NEVER sell anything!!! EVER!

 

post #15 of 28

Ever?

Then you trade sometimes? Or...will we see you on tv at some point.  Police outside, people with latex gloves on going into the house : "You can't even move in here because of all the skis!"  "Nobody even knows what all these models are!"

post #16 of 28
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Originally Posted by Tog View Post

Ever?

Then you trade sometimes? Or...will we see you on tv at some point.  Police outside, people with latex gloves on going into the house : "You can't even move in here because of all the skis!"  "Nobody even knows what all these models are!"



Never

 

No

 

Just add Outbuildings as required  wink.gif

 

post #17 of 28

 

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Vintage Gear Collecter/User

Not bad, but you need to hyperlink it to photos from your museumwink.gif

post #18 of 28
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Originally Posted by crgildart View Post

 

Not bad, but you need to hyperlink it to photos from your museumwink.gif



An online ski museum, it would be cooler if he did.

post #19 of 28
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An online ski museum, it would be cooler if he did.



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post #20 of 28

Well Vintage Gear Collector/User only describes his vintage gear.

If you're not aware, Rossi also collects present day gear. Or at least last years models because you can get more of them for the money.

One of these days we might need to do an intervention...

I'm waiting for the day he parlays some ski gear into a ski trip.

 

 

post #21 of 28
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Originally Posted by Tog View Post

Well Vintage Gear Collector/User only describes his vintage gear.

If you're not aware, Rossi also collects present day gear. Or at least last years models because you can get more of them for the money.

One of these days we might need to do an intervention...

I'm waiting for the day he parlays some ski gear into a ski trip.

 

 



Tog....problem is, if I take a plane I'd limit myself to 2-3 pairs of skis......who can possibly ski under such hardship  wink.gif

 

post #22 of 28
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Originally Posted by crgildart View Post

Who cares what a tag says as long as people are attempting to answer questions.  Buyer/reader beware.  Maybe we need more detailed Instructor tags too so we can alert people that they are only getting the PSIA side of the technical advice, or how about detailed mogul technique instructor badgesrolleyes.gif  If you rely on the internet for AL your information about ANYTHING then that comes with caveats.  Rossi Smash should probably have a badge that says "Vintage Gear Dealer" if we want to get that granular in our level of full disclosure.  The more I think of it it would be nice for different vendor reps to have detailed badges that list the brands they rep for but it is probably best that they do that on their own using their signature to keep things current.  It shouldn't be a requirement though.



VGH = Vintage Gear Hoarder

 

lol....He should open a museum.

post #23 of 28
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Originally Posted by Tog View Post

Well Vintage Gear Collector/User only describes his vintage gear.

If you're not aware, Rossi also collects present day gear. Or at least last years models because you can get more of them for the money.

One of these days we might need to do an intervention...

I'm waiting for the day he parlays some ski gear into a ski trip.

 

 


I suggest he take up furniture and fence building as part of his rehabdevil.gif

 

post #24 of 28

I thought of this thread this morning when I read this thread.  Post #7 bugs me, mostly because the poster isn't a sponsor and is using Epic to directly make money for her business (which looks like it's main competitor is probably this site)

post #25 of 28

 

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Originally Posted by RaceDude View Post

I thought of this thread this morning when I read this thread.  Post #7 bugs me, mostly because the poster isn't a sponsor and is using Epic to directly make money for her business (which looks like it's main competitor is probably this site)


That poster is a supporter -- seems a bit much to expect another skiing forum to actually 'sponsor' EpicSki.  I'm not sure the existence of other skiing forums is really viewed as direct competition.  There are a fair number of people who cross-post on Epic and SkiDiva.

 

If you're going to crack down on that sort of thing, I think you'd basically have to create a rule like 'only official site sponsors can post any commercial links or links to other skiing websites'.  Kind of heavy-handed.  (e.g. is it okay to post a link to a thread on another forum and ask what people here think about the issue under discussion?)

 

It might a bit different if, say, someone was posting in an ESA-related thread and putting up ads for other ski camps that they were affiliated with.

 

Voluntary disclosure of industry financial relationships should be encouraged, IMO.

post #26 of 28

Eh yeah I guess you're right.  Does TGR make money off their forums?  I don't remember seeing any "supporters," so I assume that they must be funding it through their films and such.
 

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Originally Posted by Matthias99 View Post

 


That poster is a supporter -- seems a bit much to expect another skiing forum to actually 'sponsor' EpicSki.  I'm not sure the existence of other skiing forums is really viewed as direct competition.  There are a fair number of people who cross-post on Epic and SkiDiva.

 

If you're going to crack down on that sort of thing, I think you'd basically have to create a rule like 'only official site sponsors can post any commercial links or links to other skiing websites'.  Kind of heavy-handed.  (e.g. is it okay to post a link to a thread on another forum and ask what people here think about the issue under discussion?)

 

It might a bit different if, say, someone was posting in an ESA-related thread and putting up ads for other ski camps that they were affiliated with.

 

Voluntary disclosure of industry financial relationships should be encouraged, IMO.



 

post #27 of 28
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Originally Posted by RaceDude View Post

Eh yeah I guess you're right.  Does TGR make money off their forums?  I don't remember seeing any "supporters," so I assume that they must be funding it through their films and such.
 



 


Actually, every time a maggot drops an f-bomb on the site they have to put a dollar into the communal bong.

 

post #28 of 28

what's the location of that?...

Must be using a rather large one?

Kapsyl
 

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