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How to maximize my ski mileage? (Advice needed)

post #1 of 11
Thread Starter 

Hi fellow epic skiers,

 

I'm from Kingston, Ontario and trying to choose a home mountain to train on next year that can minimize traveling time/cost and maximize ski mileage. 

 

My goal is to improve my technique on groomers. Powders, tree-skiing, moguls aren't necessary features to me.

 

I've narrowed down to four options. My main concerns are fuel cost, traveling time, and efficiency. The worst thing after a ski trip is the long-drive home.

 

 

                               Roundtrip(Miles)  Time           Season Pass   Vertical Drop      Size
Earl Bales               310***                  5hr ***            $189                   140 Ft                 6 acres
Batawa Ski             124                      2hr 36 min     $285                   570 Ft                10 acres
Calabogie Peaks   198.4                    6hr                $299                  760 Ft                  80 acres
Whiteface               352.16                7hr 20min      $385                  3470 Ft               283 acres
 
 

 

Earl Bales & Batawa

There are pros and cons about each mountain. This year I skied at Earl Bales which is in Toronto. The roundtrip is 310 miles; ****I could get 2.5 days of skiing because I could crash my parents' house in Toronto. However, Earl Bales is extremely crowded during the weekend with kids and lessons. Imagine being the only ski hill in a city of 3 million people? There was only 1 lift so it was literally 5 seconds down 20 minutes up.

 

Batawa is quite similar to Earl Bales except it requires 2 hours of driving every trip whereas Earl Bales only takes 30 mins once I'm in Toronto.

 

 

Calabogie and Whiteface

I've never been to either mountain. The biggest drawback is the traveling time and cost. This means I can only get to ski once a week if I were to choose to ski there. One alternative is to stay at hostel at Whiteface for $28 a night. (No car sleeping; done it; not pleasant)

 

 

Where should I go? Would 8 hours of Whiteface be equivalent to 20 hours at Earl Bales?

post #2 of 11

Wow, so sad.  Not laughing at all.  Just never realized how good I had it when I was trapped in New Jersey...

post #3 of 11

Well obviously Whiteface > Calabogie if that helps you out.

 

It's 3 mountains I've never heard of vs the biggest vertical in the East with some of the steepest groomers that run most of that vertical.

post #4 of 11
Thread Starter 

Hey guys, I understand Whiteface is AMAZING(hosted 2 olympic, how better can it get?). BUT traveling cost and fatigue are big issues. This is not a destination resort choice; instead, I'll have to go at least twice a week.

 

Fuel Cost Per Trip

Batawa Ski $23.09
Whiteface $67.04
Earl Bales $56.6
Calabogie Peaks $46.73
camp fortune $49.73

 

 

To be honest, free-ski enjoyment is not a big issue to me because I spend more of time drilling.

 

Thanks everyone!

post #5 of 11

Well, it's your choice then. Choose how much time and money you want to spend on your skiing, but Whiteface probably crushes the other places in terms of skiing.

post #6 of 11

I don't get it.  You ask for advice and when you get some you want to argue and show why it's wrong?  Just pick the cheapest place in terms of driving and ignore everything else.

post #7 of 11
Thread Starter 

Hi guys,

 

I'm sorry if I came across the wrong way. I just wanted to know if Whiteface will give me more practice time than smaller mountains.

post #8 of 11


 

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Hi guys,

 

I'm sorry if I came across the wrong way. I just wanted to know if Whiteface will give me more practice time than smaller mountains.

Well it would be more challenging.

 

...and more importantly, more fun!

 

If your focus is more on improvement, take some lessons or join some rec race program.

 

 

post #9 of 11
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Originally Posted by nickia View Post

There was only 1 lift so it was literally 5 seconds down 20 minutes up.........

 

 

 

Where should I go? Would 8 hours of Whiteface be equivalent to 20 hours at Earl Bales?


One top to bottom "run" at Whiteface is equivalent to 25 at Earl Bates. This is important when comparing time on the mountain...especially if one of the choices is crowded and has slow lifts.

 

post #10 of 11

I admire your dedication, and I'm sorry to hear about your skiing location. 

 

As a former Torontonian, I would suggest that unless you're an absolute beginner, don't even bother skiing Earl Bales. The pitch is bizarre (a roller), the hill is tiny, chairlift is super slow, there are no bumps or ungroomed... at most I would take my absolute beginner friends to Earl Bales one time to learn wedge turns before moving to bigger hills. It's quite simply poor value for you to drive so far.

 

Given that you want to develop skills and maximize your value, I'd look for the following in a hill:

  • a good ski school
  • high-speed lifts
  • long, consistent pitches
  • variety of terrain (yes, including bumps and ungroomed - you'll appreciate this more as you develop)
  • uncrowded

 

Generally you'll find all of those at bigger mountains, and none of those at earl bales. Yes, it is well worth double the cost.

 

Given that Quebec is relatively close, have you considered adding in Mont Tremblant, Mont Blanc, Bromont, Orford and Sutton as potential destinations? They're much closer than Whiteface. I believe there's a hostel at Mont Tremblant as well. The least crowded place will definitely be Whiteface, but some of the Quebec hills aren't bad either on the other criteria.

 

Best of luck!

post #11 of 11

You also have to factor in a boarder crossing for whiteface.

 

Your best bet is Calabogie Peaks. 

 

It is taking you far too long to travel. Those little yellow  speed signs on the Perth Road are overly cautious.   1) Get some snow tires.  2) It's that long skinny pedal beside the brake pedal.  3) Head north on Division Street; keep heading north through Perth Road Village, and on up to HWY 42; turn left (west) to Westport; turn right (north) at Westport onto HW10 (the Scotch line); turn left (north) in Perth at Gore St (HWY1 - Rideau Ferry Road) go through Perth (follow the main road as it jogs left then right); turn left (west) on HWY7; turn north on Lanark RD (HWY 511);  Stay on 511 thorough a couple of little towns (jogs left and right in Lanark) until you get to Calabogie;  take the short cut through the schoolyard/church (you'll notice it on your way back) or continue on to HWY508 and turn left; 

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