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Freeskiing on Super G skis?

post #1 of 15
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I dont need anymore skis sadly,....except more race skis.   I want to get into SG and maybe even DH next season.   I asked around to see if I can get by with GS skis in a SG, and the overall consensus was no way not advisable, maybe on a short, tight SG course but usually no.   So looks like I need some SG skis. biggrin.gif  The thing is training for SG and DH is very rare and hard to come by (its even hard for organizers to set them up due to all the precautions and just having a good venue)....more so for me who lives far enough from good mountains that makes it very difficult.   However what if I ski the SG skis freely just to get some snow time on them and get used to such long skis.   Will skiing SG skis at a resort, say Hunter, be impossible and or dangerous?  I dont mean from a speeding standpoint, I mean from a maneuverability standpoint. ski.gif

post #2 of 15

First year on them this year-I bought a pair of 195 Atomics ('08 version) on Ebay last fall. I was a little apprehensive at first wondering how tough they would be to manuver. No problems-obviously you can't make slalom turns on them, but easy enough to control especially once you get moving and they can be skidded to stop if needed. Used them in one mild race this year (our "big" race was cancelled due to a 8" snowfall) and they turned fine.

 

Freeskiing? What a blast! I was out last Tuesday with a buddy who just picked up a pair and we had a riot.Amazingly stable at 50+ MPH. We put them away after a couple of hours as the slopes got more crowded.Could you ski them at Hunter? If you can get there on a quiet day with good light and groomed conditions, sure. If it's busy, no, only because the temptation to crank them up to speed is too great (at least for me). 

post #3 of 15

No problem at all.  Good SG skis with good technique can bang out some great short turns...they are just skis after all.  But yeah, definatley worth "skiing on them" before racing on them.  I cracked mine out a while back after having not been on them in over a year.  Started to go...first turn....bathtub on to my face. 

 

They dont come around at slow speed like my daily driver MX88s....

 

I agree with the advice you got thou...if you are going to be doing a real SG or DH, GS skis wont cut it.

post #4 of 15

Freeskiing on Super-G skis can be really fun and isn't that hard. But.... having seen you ski RR, I think it would be a really bad idea. I hope you don't take this as an insult or anything, but you need to be more in balance for these skis to work. If you are standing on your tails, they won't be fun for you or anybody else.

post #5 of 15

We still have a pair of Fischer DH, 211cm, that I've been wanting to take on a freeski.  Then I realize how bad of an idea that would be, especially with me skiing them rolleyes.gif

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Freeskiing on Super-G skis can be really fun and isn't that hard. But.... having seen you ski RR, I think it would be a really bad idea. I hope you don't take this as an insult or anything, but you need to be more in balance for these skis to work. If you are standing on your tails, they won't be fun for you or anybody else.

Ouch.

 

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Freeskiing on Super-G skis can be really fun and isn't that hard. But.... having seen you ski RR, I think it would be a really bad idea. I hope you don't take this as an insult or anything, but you need to be more in balance for these skis to work. If you are standing on your tails, they won't be fun for you or anybody else.


 

How dare you sir!  duel.gif

 

 Its all good, youve seen me but you havent seen me.  Bob Barnes and Tog kinda saw me (though we were doing exercises for the most part not really skiing). BWPA saw me, we spent the day at Hunter hauling ass...we were all exhausted and not on top of our game with literally no sleep but we had fun, I think he was surprised at how decent my skiing was for a guy who gets relatively so little time on the snow as I do (not saying he thought I was a great skier just better than he had anticipated).   All these people might agree with your observations...but I'll say this much, the videos I posted of myself I consider to be some of the worst skiing I've done, and that is why I post them to see in a gross fashion what specifically I am doing wrong....which is admittedly is plenty.  Not that I have much video, in fact I have nearly none (such is the plight of the solo skier), but it would be pointless for me to post decent/good skiing...certainly is not going to impress anyone here and its not like I go to some of the beautiful Western locations that many here frequent that people would like to see the scenery.  Unfortunately I think you and I only got to ski together one day/run, that first day at ESA Stowe (and you were so far in front that unless you have eyes behind your head you didn't see much, which might say plenty right there nonono2.gif), with lots of new snow fall, I was on skinny old rock skis, and had not skied in almost a year...first day out, in conditions I don't care for and have little experience on....unlike hard pack.  But seriously no offense taken I have thick skin and to someone who skis as well as you I know I look like I have two left feet.  Not to mention I took away some skills Bob impressed on me during that trip which have vastly improved my ability to handle chop during the following seasons...that and the right tool iM88.

 

Looks like I will be shopping for some new HEAD iSG RD.   Size recommendations?  5'11"  195lbs


Edited by Richie-Rich - 3/20/11 at 9:19am
post #8 of 15

>200 cm skis with limited side cut used to be norm.  You'll be fine, have fun Richie!  

post #9 of 15

I skied my old straight 208 SGs almost exclusively for many years.  The only places they were problematic were on slopes that you had to ski slow (read sideways) on that were steep but not too steep to hold snow, and had deep snow pushed up into big piles.

post #10 of 15

My 207 Kastle National Team SG skis were great fun.

Being long and straight they skarve just fine.

On newer SG skis I expect that if you can ski them with edge lock you will be going mondo fast.

Skiing the SG skis at reasonable speeds will teach you how to go slow.

Sure you really want that?

Midweek, maybe you could get in some good turns without killing anything.

Maybe.

post #11 of 15
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Doing some shopping have a few questions.

 

What size do I get:

 

200, 203, or 210

 

My fighting weight is between 190 and 200lbs

 

Height 5'11"

 

Also where can I get a good deal on some HEAD RD i.SG, so far the best I have found is $639 from Artechski for 2011 models.

post #12 of 15

I'd say go 203, the 210 is a whole lot 'o ski. I've got a pair (210), they are hands down the most powerful ski I've ever been on.

post #13 of 15
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Originally Posted by Whiteroom View Post

I'd say go 203, the 210 is a whole lot 'o ski. I've got a pair (210), they are hands down the most powerful ski I've ever been on.


 

So Mike what deal are ya gonna give me.....hit me on the PM...will need some FF17 bindings as well. biggrin.gif

post #14 of 15

It's excellent to have the ski for the event you race. go for it.

 

however, race skis, SG notably, are engineered to ski on ice of various composition. On other snow, you are not using their best qualities.

 

The skis don't perform as engineered until certain speeds, angles, forces are met. skiing them outside those performance limits is just sliding around and will not improve your racing or your freeskiing, IMO, IMO. I see them training on these baby's at Squaw a lot, and I see how they ski to the top of the training course, throwing them sideways to scrub speed and stay on the line they have to be on to go where they are going. It's all they can do with them, and they are the countries top racers. And racers don't endanger the public; they get their thrills in sanctioned events and on real courses.

post #15 of 15

I once did a heli on 210syahoo.gif

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