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post #1 of 23
Thread Starter 

me, 6'2" 230lbs. ski Tahoe 98% of the time and ride a Salomon Sentinel as my daily driver. it's a great ski and i am super happy with it. however i am looking to add a nice big fat Pow ski for those special days, you know the ones. the Sollies work well in big dumps, actually they work surprising well, but i feel like something in the 110+ size will help me float and surf the snow much better. one thing, the ski must love pow but also be able to handle the chopped up snow that happens later in the day when it gets skied out (no changing skies mid-day for me). 

 

right now i am open to your suggestions. a few of the ones that are on my radar are...

 

Rossi Super 7

ON3P Billy Goat. 

4FRNT EHP

Kastle MX108

 

thanks in advance. 

post #2 of 23

Add to your consideration list:

 

Praxis Concept. Born and bred in Tahoe. My personal choice for what you are describing.

 

Atomic Bent Chetler

 

DPS 112RP (if they can be had at all)

post #3 of 23
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Originally Posted by opimian View Post

me, 6'2" 230lbs. ski Tahoe 98% of the time and ride a Salomon Sentinel as my daily driver. it's a great ski and i am super happy with it. however i am looking to add a nice big fat Pow ski for those special days, you know the ones. the Sollies work well in big dumps, actually they work surprising well, but i feel like something in the 110+ size will help me float and surf the snow much better. one thing, the ski must love pow but also be able to handle the chopped up snow that happens later in the day when it gets skied out (no changing skies mid-day for me). 

 

right now i am open to your suggestions. a few of the ones that are on my radar are...

 

Rossi Super 7

ON3P Billy Goat. 

4FRNT EHP

Kastle MX108

 

thanks in advance. 

That was me today on the MX128. Highly recommended!  I also own the MX108, and it would be plenty of ski for Squaw on all but the very deepest days. I skied it at Squaw last week in 12-14" of fairly heavy chopped crud/wind blown over top, and found it to be money in those conditions.  I got to test the Super 7 and a couple of other bigger skis recently (Legend Pro 115, Blizzard Cochise) and while they all had their positives, my MX108 is probably the most well-rounded and the ski that "does the most things right", from crud to steeps to trees to deeper snow.  The MX128 was almost too wide for the day we were skiing in those pics:  looking back at the photos, I wasn't getting face shots, whereas Kevin on the Blizzard Bonafide (98mm underfoot) was (it was around 8" of new over top of a soft base, around 24" in the past 36 hours). He is completely buried in the 3rd shot.  You can see that I am basically skiing the MX128 like a carver: it is so wide, I was on top of the snow in most turns; it is fun, but when I back on the MX108, I was in the snow more, getting more rebound, action on the ski, which is super fun.  So, yes, I would recommend that ski. 

 

The Billy Goat is really fun, although I didn't get to test it in proper deep conditions. One of my customers loves his 112RP; we might carry a couple of their skis next year.  Bent is also sweet, soft and skis short, very unlike the MX108, which is plenty of ski in the 187cm length.
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post #4 of 23
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Originally Posted by spindrift View Post

Add to your consideration list:

 

Praxis Concept. Born and bred in Tahoe. My personal choice for what you are describing.

 

Atomic Bent Chetler

 

DPS 112RP (if they can be had at all)


a couple Praxis come to mind, including the Protest, the hybrid design.

 

post #5 of 23

I love Praxis and PM Gear Lhasa Pows. You should look at their websites.

post #6 of 23

Armada JJ

Icelantic

Surface New Life

 

/me boggles

post #7 of 23
Thread Starter 

thanks there are some good recs here. its killing me that i am not at Squaw right now :-(.  awesome snow for March. at least i am comforted by the thought i'll be up there next week. i see some snow days being called in very, very soon.  great pics Dawg, thanks! fundementally i agree with the desire to be a litlle more in the snow, but its a balancing act. having never skied 100+ skies, not sure the jump from my 95mm to the 115-130mm will do. I  know demoing is the right thing to do, but it is super hard. when the snow falls, all i want to do is get on the hill, not mess around at the ski shop.  

 

looked at some the recs the Praxis are are sold out. (thats a good sign). the DPS seem interesting, and continue to hear nothing but good things from Kastle. the nixed the JJ early because i was afraid they would be too soft in the flex. the Conept sounds good, but the graphics are so fugley,i cant do it. yes, there is a line in the sand for me. 

 

one foot note. i tend to get in the backseat in powder. so nothing that will throw me on my ass please. thanks

post #8 of 23
If you check through the pages on Gear Swap at TGR, you will find most of the mentioned skis for sale. http://www.tetongravity.com/forums/forumdisplay.php/9-Gear-Swap
I like to buy used gear as it can be had in pretty good shape for way less than new and if I don't like it, I just re sell it, typically at what I paid.
post #9 of 23

You are in luck since there's a few skis to try that are made locally. Go see Rob at the Sports Exchange in Truckee as he has Praxis & Ski Logik brands.

 

If you are looking for pow boards, not sure if the Concept is the right one as its made for charging big lines. There's also the Praxis RX (116) & the Powder (maybe too wide) to try.

 

The Ski Logik's are going to be more foregiving and check out the Howitzer (110mm) & the Bomb Squad (122mm). I skied the Howitzer's & they were really nice & smooth. A buddy (6'2" & 200lb) who has the Blizzard The Answer's for his daily drivers @ Squaw demo'd the Bomb Squad's & ending up buying a pair for his pow boards.

 

There's also Moment, made in Reno, that you can find to demo throughout Tahoe.

 

Also made in Reno is PMGear skis which you may want to look into. However, Pat's skis aren't foregiving to someone in the backseat - and he'll tell you that :)

post #10 of 23
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Originally Posted by JHoback View Post

If you are looking for pow boards, not sure if the Concept is the right one as its made for charging big lines. There's also the Praxis RX (116) & the Powder (maybe too wide) to try.

 

 


With over 25 days on Concepts (both original and dual camber moldings), I'm pretty comfortable saying that the Concept is an insanely versatile ski. It is incredibly good in powder and other forms of soft snow. And probably more approachable than some of the others mentioned. While not a "pure" powder board, it meets the OP's specs very, very well. It skis powder  probably better than, any non-pure powder ski I have used. It skis crud really well. I'm totally happy to spend a day skiing groomers on them. To frame this in terms of a widely known ski - think of an S7 having had advanced genetic therapy to make it "better". Totally the ski I'd use for the OP's stated purposes - oh wait, it is the ski I use for that mission...biggrin.gif  

 

I also happen to like the graphics - among my favorites ever, but that's just lucky random chance. Interestingly, the way they came out, they are actually a bit more muted than I'd hoped. To each their own on that though...

post #11 of 23
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Originally Posted by opimian View Post

me, 6'2" 230lbs. ski Tahoe 98% of the time and ride a Salomon Sentinel as my daily driver. it's a great ski and i am super happy with it. however i am looking to add a nice big fat Pow ski for those special days,

 


 

 



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Originally Posted by spindrift View Post




With over 25 days on Concepts (both original and dual camber moldings), I'm pretty comfortable saying that the Concept is an insanely versatile ski. It is incredibly good in powder and other forms of soft snow. And probably more approachable than some of the others mentioned. While not a "pure" powder board, it meets the OP's specs very, very well. It skis powder  probably better than, any non-pure powder ski I have used. It skis crud really well. I'm totally happy to spend a day skiing groomers on them. To frame this in terms of a widely known ski - think of an S7 having had advanced genetic therapy to make it "better". Totally the ski I'd use for the OP's stated purposes - oh wait, it is the ski I use for that mission...biggrin.gif  

 

I also happen to like the graphics - among my favorites ever, but that's just lucky random chance. Interestingly, the way they came out, they are actually a bit more muted than I'd hoped. To each their own on that though...


I am not saying the Concept's aren't a good ski & I really enjoyed skiing them when I had a chance to demo these Praxis boards. We (spindrift) actually used the same term to describe them - versatile.

 

If OP was on Mantra's I may be more apt to recommend the Concept's. But since he's on Sentinel's I'd recommend something else to demo. Sports Exchange in Truckee has the full Praxis line to try.

 

I'm not sure what more approachable means.

 

The Concept's are a hybrid and have a 3D sidecut which is also made for carving, which they do well for a wide ski (as we both mentioned). But OP stated he will be using the Sentinels for most of the time and will be using the new skis for powder "for those special days". So in this respect, I would think he's wanting something more tailored to soft days and not worried about edge grip. 

 

As for the graphics, we agree again, as I liked them too.

 

I haven't skied the ON3P, but I would like to next season as I've heard good things about them. As for mainstream skis, the Rossi S7 would be a good choice to demo. I believe the Super 7 have an extra layer of metal, so you can decide S7 vs Super 7.

 

post #12 of 23
Thread Starter 

you are correct, these would be soft snow specific ski for me. i like the idea of a designed and built in Tahoe ski. but local. here is the evolving list. looks like a lot of good choices. the front end of the moment skies are really different. i have seen people the life line with them, how do they ski?  what does that nose shape do for you?

 

Praxis - the Protest (although sold out for the season).

Moment - Ruby

DPS - Lotus 120 or the Wailer 112RP

Super 7

Kastle MX108 (small side and sold out).

post #13 of 23

I honestly think you should get the Protests in 196 (you're 230 lbs, right?)!

post #14 of 23
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Originally Posted by apeyros View Post

I honestly think you should get the Protests in 196 (you're 230 lbs, right?)!

In the Praxis line up, for a pure powder ski, the Powders can't be beat and are in stock, but due to the reverse side cut, I had a hard time getting back to the lifts with them and traversing, forget about it. That said, I think the RX with recurve (sold out) is the next ski I would have bought from Keith if I wasn't so damn happy with my Lhasa Pows. PM Gear still has them in a 196 (which you need at your size). You will also find them in gear swap at TGR if your patient. For a resort powder ski, the Lhasa's are really tough to beat IMO.

post #15 of 23
Thread Starter 

wow, what a day. played hooky yesterday and went to kirkwood. pow so deep you needed scuba gear. ended up demo some boards after the first run, when i realized my "skinny" 95mm skies could not cut it. basically i took one run, and half way down did a full front flip, which isn't bad seeing how it was waist deep. but getting back up...exhausting. 

 

the first pair i demo was 2011  Salmon czar. they float a lot better then my Sentintals, obviously. the problem was they were heavy as tanks. the demo bindings didn't help, but this things were like lugging around sandbags. my legs were burned by lunch. 

 

the second pair i demo was 2011 k2 Hellbents.  holy crap, what a different, at 132 underfoot. these floated like a dream. really made the powder fun and easy.  my only issues was i am so used to being in the back seat to keep the tips up that if i wasn't careful i was on my ass is a NY second. with the huge rear rocker they demanded to be center/forward weighted. i can over come this, just needs some muscle memory re-training. all and all, love the extra width. unfortunately the graphics freaked me out. i hate clowns, especially ones with machetes, why the hell would they put those graphics on there skies??  never thought i would want a ski that big, but at my weight (230) and height 6'2"  they really helped me stay up and charging. so a revised list. i don't think i want anything under 115 under foot, preferable larger. the Praxis protest look great, 196 is really long. is it too long?  

 

revised list: so many solid choices...

 

Praxis - Protest 196 (seems really long??)

Moment -  Ruby (smallest on the list @111 underfoot, 188) or Comi 192

DPS - Lotus 120 (anybody skied these before?

4frnt - EHP 193

S7 188 OR 195?? 

post #16 of 23

At your size, neither the 196 Protest nor the 195 Powder Board would be too big. Not even close. Nor would something like the H20. But the easy answer is to talk to Keith. You are right there... 

 

I have not skied the 193 EHP, but did a run on the 188s yesterday. That is also one fine ski. I was almost surprised at how much I liked it.

 

If you are still considering the S7, then both the Praxis Concept and the DPS 112 RP should also be on your list IMO (yeah, broken record...). The shaping can easily make up for a few mm of width (not tons, but a few...).

 

Lots of reviews of the Lotus 120 at TGR.

 

I actually like the Hellbent graphics, but my intuition is that you'd find the skis a bit soft  in the cutup. Also, if you drive your skis at all, at your size you'd soften those up even more very quickly... The Bent Chetler is a bit stiffer & might be reasonable.

post #17 of 23
Thread Starter 

the RP112 is a stellar ski from all accounts, in fact all the DPS skies look fantastic. i would choose them over the s7, your right the s7 is out. my only thought was is it wide enough. its smaller then the czar and i felt like the czar's were lacking.  yaah i know they are different.  thats why i am interested to the lotus120. figured they would give the extra float make it a full day after it gets tracked out. either way still need to get back to the lift, that remains a requirement. thanks for being a broken record, sometimes it takes a few turns with the song to catch on.  

 

just for fun, this is what yesterday looked like off chair 6 at Kirkwood....yes that is a head peaking out of the pow biggrin.gif

pow pow3.jpg

post #18 of 23
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Originally Posted by opimian View Post

me, 6'2" 230lbs. ski Tahoe 98% of the time and ride a Salomon Sentinel as my daily driver. it's a great ski and i am super happy with it. however i am looking to add a nice big fat Pow ski for those special days, you know the ones. the Sollies work well in big dumps, actually they work surprising well, but i feel like something in the 110+ size will help me float and surf the snow much better. one thing, the ski must love pow but also be able to handle the chopped up snow that happens later in the day when it gets skied out (no changing skies mid-day for me). 

 

right now i am open to your suggestions. a few of the ones that are on my radar are...

 

Rossi Super 7

ON3P Billy Goat. 

4FRNT EHP

Kastle MX108

 

thanks in advance. 



By those standards, I'd really, really add the PM Gear FAT BROS to that list.  I loved my billy goats too, but the all-aroundness of the fat bros just kill it for me.  They float pivot and slarve in pow, yet they can still rail GS turns on hardpack.  Also great crud and chopped snow skis too, they just do absolutely everything amazingly well and everyone that's bit the bullet and bought them has nothing but great things to say.  110 underfoot, carbon/glass hybrid construction, decent tip rocker and just a smidge on the tail.  Dammit, those skis are perfect.  I ski the 183 but I hear they have a 187 that's the teats too.  Really can't say enough good things about them. 

 

post #19 of 23

FWIW- Start haus may have some of the Praxis left....

post #20 of 23

Out of ON3P's lineup, the Caylors would be gold for what you want. Much stiffer than the Hellbents, but otherwise pretty similar. Great in chop. At your weight, coming off the Sentinel, I honestly think you'd totally overpower the 112RP/S7 - they're also a bit too turny, IMO, for a lot of the Tahoe resorts, especially Squaw, where there's a plethora of open terrain. The Protest is almost a full reverse sidecut ski, so it is not versatile enough at all for a mountain like Squaw that will get severely skied out pretty quickly - your ankles will get beat up. The EHP and Lotus are great skis. But, with no tail rocker, they tend to ski more traditional and are less surfy/slarvy, so they won't surf like the Hellbents in the soft stuff. Depends on which style you prefer.

 

I'm sure there's other skis that are similar to the Caylors (really wide, normal sidecut, dual rocker, not a noodle), but I'm not familiar with many of them, so I'll let others chime in with similar options. However, I believe the Volkl Shiro and the 4FRNT Renegade fall into this category. But, if ON3P has a design that you're looking for, IMO, for your money, there is no better ski. Damn cheap at presale prices while also being handmade in the US with bomber construction and absolutely no skimpage on materials. They'll last for years and years along with great resale potential (at TGR). Coming from a guy who used to get 1-2 coreshots most weeks, I haven't had a single one this year, and only have one gouge that is only moderately deep, which happened during my first trip ever to Crested Butte (known for steep rocky terrain). The super durable base is coupled with the widest edges in the industry which means you can grind them down to pristine condition many more times.


Edited by Brian Lindahl - 3/24/11 at 1:22pm
post #21 of 23

Surface New Life. 320 out the door @ evo.com

post #22 of 23
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Originally Posted by Finndog View Post

FWIW- Start haus may have some of the Praxis left....



There is a Concept in 177 on the wall as well as a few Powder Boards  185 and 205, and Protest in 188.....among others. biggrin.gif

Its a great year in Tahoe for powder skis, eh?

post #23 of 23
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Originally Posted by opimian View Post

me, 6'2" 230lbs. ski Tahoe 98% of the time and ride a Salomon Sentinel as my daily driver. it's a great ski and i am super happy with it. however i am looking to add a nice big fat Pow ski for those special days, you know the ones. the Sollies work well in big dumps, actually they work surprising well, but i feel like something in the 110+ size will help me float and surf the snow much better. one thing, the ski must love pow but also be able to handle the chopped up snow that happens later in the day when it gets skied out (no changing skies mid-day for me). 

 

right now i am open to your suggestions. a few of the ones that are on my radar are...

 

Rossi Super 7

ON3P Billy Goat. 

4FRNT EHP

Kastle MX108

 

thanks in advance. 



Why no Watea 114 in a 186cm?

or even leftover Dynastar Huge Troubles.....

 

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