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post #61 of 75

There are exceptions to every rule. I abide to the skiers code. One day I was skiing down the side of a beginner run at low speed heading for the parking lot. An older/experienced  couple were also descending down the run to my left about 40 feet away. I was making SL turns when out of no where the women came out of my blind spot and cut a turn right in front of me. I had no time to adjust to her choice of line and went around her in mid-air. She came within inches of getting clocked by a 200# male going 15-20 mph. Not anyones fault just 2 skiers in the same space at the same time.

post #62 of 75
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I wasnt there but in my estimation I would say that she was above you at only 40ft away and what seemed to be her cutting in front of you was really around you and then infront as she may have been just off and behind your shoulder.

 

How could she have gotten in front of you if you were side by side?  One or the other would have had to speed up or slow down relative to the other skier.

 

Or vise versa where she was 40ft to the side and you were actually above her.

 

and at only 40ft apart slow speed is perhaps not slow enough.

 

And according to the code, if you  were not as agile, capable, vigilant and aware as you are, you would have hit that poor woman essentially your front to her side.

 

I ahd a bad one once when a female aquaintance and I were skiing together and our sine waves got out of sinc and she plowed me hard into my right shoulder from her left as I was turning right.  Big hit and she was dizzed pretty good adn it ended her day.

 

But it wasnt until a long time later that I sat down to really think about how that could have been avoided and it was to not ski side by side like that cuz sooner or later one or the other gets ahead of the other.

 

I mean its not as obvious as we were side by side cus someone had to be ahead on one behind.

 

It would be interesting to know how often someone breaks their nose on someone elses nose or front of forehead.

 

Anyway, there are always exceptions but generally it is a skier from above slamming someone from below as they unfortunately turn in front as I think you would agree.

 

And you saved the day.  Nice.

post #63 of 75
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There are exceptions to every rule. I abide to the skiers code. One day I was skiing down the side of a beginner run at low speed heading for the parking lot. An older/experienced  couple were also descending down the run to my left about 40 feet away. I was making SL turns when out of no where the women came out of my blind spot and cut a turn right in front of me. I had no time to adjust to her choice of line and went around her in mid-air. She came within inches of getting clocked by a 200# male going 15-20 mph. Not anyones fault just 2 skiers in the same space at the same time.


Maybe it's time to hang 'em up, old man.

 

post #64 of 75
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Maybe it's time to hang 'em up, old man.

 


Are you off the wagon again thhele? 

 

post #65 of 75

I think the biggest issue is boarders.  You know: the blind spot behind them, the bro brah attitude, and general lack of consideration for others.  Just a thought.

post #66 of 75

There are only two collisions I remember.  The most recent was at Whiteface.  While on the (overcrowded) Wilmington trail, in the mid-mountain flats a 5-year-old snowboarder cut in front of his snow-plowing dad and brother, and hit me from the side.  It was a mighty big "thump" from such a small and slow-moving person.

 

The other collision was at Holiday Valley:  when I was 10, I lost control and skied right into a Ski Patrol guy standing at the base of Chute.  He read me the riot act, and sent me on my way.

 

A couple of near misses would have left me with a broken back (or at least seriously banged-up/bruised).  Some douchebag park-rats in their rebel gear, with all their "throw-it-down" swagger think they are invincible and own the hill.  Many are not even social on the lift.  (I have nothing against some of you... I"m sure there are some cool people there... but many I've come across are not... some even skied into me in the lift line FFS)

 

 

I think crowded slopes are the issue... I've seen collisions when there were just too many people on one hill at one time.... nobody made any egregious safety errors... just kinetic energy (like gas molecules under pressure... the more objects in a smaller space, the more collisions).

post #67 of 75
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Yeah and I think that bro brah dude 'tude takes on many forms....often blatant and sometimes subtle but always dangerous. 

I mean it is often about crowded slopes but personal responsibility is where its at mostly....I mean its the only chance we have to control things.

 

 

Sometimes I think taht there should be like traffic controls on some of the more commercial runs.  Some sort of control that would limit the number of skiers that can be on a given slope at certain times.  Or maybe some sort of indication that the slope is crowded right now adn to consider skipping this one for now....Maybe a flip sign controlled by patrollers....something innovative....almost like the lift lights that indicate crowds.....but real specific to certain runs and hopefully for short periods...And not widespread or over used but just under certain conditions like when the bro brahs brake out or after 11 on a saturday at the top of that main lift or at the bottom bottle necks at the end of the day in the slush and everyone is hot and tired.  Just slow it down and let folks wait...maybe make it nice...free water or something...It would only be like a minute wait.....the locals would find thier way around it and the tourists would be safe and well taken care of.....or lanes....you stop....and the guy says please stay left or right or center....in turn...just in certain places of course and very limited.......

 

 

post #68 of 75

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I think the biggest issue is boarders.  You know: the blind spot behind them, the bro brah attitude, and general lack of consideration for others.  Just a thought.


The blind spot issue is a legit problem at times.  But snowboarders don't have a monopoly on bad attitudes and lack of consideration.  I see plenty of inconsiderate and/or dangerous skiers too.  I think it's actually easier for a moderately skilled skier to get going way too fast than a snowboarder...

 

There may be a *tendency* for younger and less experienced skiers/riders to have less respect for others on the slopes.  (Kids these days!  <shakes fist> rolleyes.gif)  The average age of snowboarders is probably lower than the average age of skiers, so this may give the appearance that snowboarders are inconsiderate.

 

Preconceived biases can also become self-fulfilling prophecies.  If you think snowboarders are a plague upon the slopes and openly treat them as such, of course they're going to give you attitude and disrespect you...

post #70 of 75
Slow zones (if they are enforced) and fencing off terrain parks does help. A free group lesson to first timers (including the responsibility code) would at least get future skiers and riders off on the right foot. I'm really going to open it up here - mandatory helmets?
post #71 of 75
Thread Starter 

Paint ball parks require newcomers to take a short course including a film on safety adn procedure and etiquette.  Of course my then 6th grade son complained about it cus he too is cool  But, I noticed he and his friends arguing about the rules and some guy who broke the rules and that the rules made it more fun and unwittingly tipping me off that they apprieciated the direction.

 

Alot of people just really dont know.

 

And I can remember as a young 16 yr old footballer teaching myself how to ski, and then my 12 yr old brother coming out with me the next season and I "taught" him and niether one of us knew what the rules were as my parents had no idea and did not ski with us. 

 

But when the skier responsibility code was published on the back of lift tickets for the first time in I think '72 we finally had at least a basic guide...

 

Anyway the idea of a free lesson for beginners including a talk about the rules would give anyone a feeling of intitiation into the the skiers club and sort of a feeling of being in the know.

 

And they should give the kds a little pin or sticker showing that they took the class adn that they too are in the know.

 

Maybe then I'll try Wilmot again, ha!!!  I used to love that place.

 

I dont think the instructors even cover basic safety adn right-of-way issues.  Even in the terrain parks, my 20 yr old still constantly complains about newbies who just crash the cue adn ski between the rails without any recognition of turn taking conventions. 

 

Yeah at least mandatory helmets with rentals.  I love my helmet.  Now my old hats are used as nice padded bags for my goggles. 

 

Hey do you remember when if a ski patroler caught you building a jump or even jumping natural terrain, they would take your ticket?

 

 

post #72 of 75


 

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Originally Posted by joeshoto View Post

Yeah and I think that bro brah dude 'tude takes on many forms....often blatant and sometimes subtle but always dangerous. 

I mean it is often about crowded slopes but personal responsibility is where its at mostly....I mean its the only chance we have to control things.

 

 

Sometimes I think taht there should be like traffic controls on some of the more commercial runs.  Some sort of control that would limit the number of skiers that can be on a given slope at certain times.  Or maybe some sort of indication that the slope is crowded right now adn to consider skipping this one for now....Maybe a flip sign controlled by patrollers....something innovative....almost like the lift lights that indicate crowds.....but real specific to certain runs and hopefully for short periods...And not widespread or over used but just under certain conditions like when the bro brahs brake out or after 11 on a saturday at the top of that main lift or at the bottom bottle necks at the end of the day in the slush and everyone is hot and tired.  Just slow it down and let folks wait...maybe make it nice...free water or something...It would only be like a minute wait.....the locals would find thier way around it and the tourists would be safe and well taken care of.....or lanes....you stop....and the guy says please stay left or right or center....in turn...just in certain places of course and very limited.......

 

 


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post #73 of 75
Thread Starter 

Yeah, no, yeah, do you mena the bro brah dude 'tude part or the control the crowded run part???

 

I mean certain places on like Vail or Brek on say presidents day weekend.  Certain runs are swarmed, packed, jammed....  It doesnt even resemble skiing.  If it wasnt dangerous it would be hilarious.  I mean there are so many ways down but somehow when you are skiing with family or honestly if you are from somewhere else, you get stuck on these freekin zoo runs.

 

Iknoew there is a batman reference in here somewhere....but seriously....you're probably able to always avoid these places so Idont know....I cant believe it sometimes.

 

I dont mean to have these controls become common but just to have it as an option....

 

Whaaaat?

post #74 of 75

NYCJim, is that you?

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NYCJim, is that you?



A disturbance in the force woke me up. Did someone mention NYCJim?

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