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post #31 of 42
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Originally Posted by washoezephyr1 View Post

I will agree on the 105 vs 94 comparison.  Got a few powder runs yetserday afternoon on my XXL's to wrap up the testing. To conclude my thoughts, the 94 will give you some tail kick, and will ski predictable through a ton of conditions. It will not shine in deep unbroken or broken snow, where the 105 or XXL will. Equal edge control on harder spots, and the 94 will rule on groomers and hard off-piste snow that is reasonable in pitch. For super steep hard snow, The XXL is my pick and the 105 is right there behind it. For overall control I put the 105 as the easiest by a bit over the 94 and XXL.  The XXL without any early rise requires a solid stance or you can miss a turn initiation. The 94 and 105 initiate easier.  In deeper snow and higher speeds the 105 beats the 94 for overall control of line, ability to smooth out chop and forgivingness.  The advance deign of the 105 makes the 192 length ski more worry free than the 94 in 184, or XXL in 187. The XXL rounds the turn and settles into the troughs a bit more and will control the turn through rutts and bumps better than the 94 and 105. The 105 will work more along the top half of the topography of uneven terrain and blow through trouble with its hidden stoutness. On a smooth powder run the 105 is just silly easy to turn. For a deep snow ski, I think it will have the rider skiing more worry free than the other 2 and looking for speed to get out of trouble, and then making next-turn-latter control adjustments to reign the speed back in.  If the powder runs turn to harder bumps by the end of day, the 105 will still get you through, although the others may allow a better short turn that goes into the rutts and holes better. Pick your preference.

Alexzn, you skied the new Blizzard Bonafide.  Which ski would you want for those days when it is snowing or recently has snowed and you have maybe up to 12" of fresh to play with?  I have reduced my quiver down to 184 MR's and 179 Sultans for when it hasn't snowed for awhile and 196 Lhasa Pows for when it has dumped.  So in my mind, I need that in between fresh snow ski. But which ski for about 4"-12" of new, likely chopped up snow would you select? I like the tip on the 105 better, as I believe that shape works better for me than the more rounded tip of the Bonafide to cut through pow.  From reading the above, the 105 sounds reliable in the steeps, but I am wondering if the Bonafides turn radius makes it a little easier to to quickly turn and control your speed?  Hell, which one should I buy for next season, a 184 105 or the 180 Bonafide?  I am sure I would love either ski, but being a Dynastar fan, I am leaning more to the 105 and will likely sell the MR's down the road.  BTW, I have 10lbs on you and likely am not quite at your skill set yet, so the ski that is more forgiving for an advance skier is a real consideration.

post #32 of 42
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Hmmm... Since you have Sultans, you dont care about hard-ish snow, right?  so the 105 makes sense from that point, but from that point only. Those are two very different skies, especially in the lengths you quote.  105 is super stable, super damp, not too quick, but quick enough, powerful, and super-reliable. Feels like a Cadillac with muscle. It is a heavy ski.  The Bonafide feels like a BMW, super-quick and polished but with a lot of bite. The Bone is relatively light.   Both will be great in up to 12 in fresh and cut-up, it just depends on what feeling you prefer.   If I use another flawed analogy, the Bone is a Mantra-like ski and 105 is Gotama-like (the old Gotama). 

 

Some point by point answers:

Steeps: 105 has a larger turn radius, so it will be more reliable on steeps (sidecut is generally bad for real steeps).

 

Tip shape:  I have not noticed much issues with the tip shape on the Bone in cut-up snow, the 105 tip shape is a classic early taper, so it worked quite well, no surprise.

 

Ease of use:  LP105 is easier to ski than the old ProRider, but not by too much.  Bonafide felt ridiculously easy to ski.  

 

P.S. A note on lengths: 180 Bone skis quite short, feels more like a 175-ish ski, 184 LP105 feels its length (more or less).   Your 184 Mythic must feel like a lot more ski than 178 Sultan, so I am wondering why you chose to get the Sultan in a shorter length.   

P.P.S. Another ski to consider is DPS112RP, but that will overlap more with Lhasa Pows. 

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Originally Posted by liv2 ski View Post
Alexzn, you skied the new Blizzard Bonafide.  Which ski would you want for those days when it is snowing or recently has snowed and you have maybe up to 12" of fresh to play with?  I have reduced my quiver down to 184 MR's and 179 Sultans for when it hasn't snowed for awhile and 196 Lhasa Pows for when it has dumped.  So in my mind, I need that in between fresh snow ski. But which ski for about 4"-12" of new, likely chopped up snow would you select? I like the tip on the 105 better, as I believe that shape works better for me than the more rounded tip of the Bonafide to cut through pow.  From reading the above, the 105 sounds reliable in the steeps, but I am wondering if the Bonafides turn radius makes it a little easier to to quickly turn and control your speed?  Hell, which one should I buy for next season, a 184 105 or the 180 Bonafide?  I am sure I would love either ski, but being a Dynastar fan, I am leaning more to the 105 and will likely sell the MR's down the road.  BTW, I have 10lbs on you and likely am not quite at your skill set yet, so the ski that is more forgiving for an advance skier is a real consideration.


 

post #33 of 42
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Originally Posted by alexzn View Post

Hmmm... Since you have Sultans, you dont care about hard-ish snow, right?  so the 105 makes sense from that point, but from that point only. Those are two very different skies, especially in the lengths you quote.  105 is super stable, super damp, not too quick, but quick enough, powerful, and super-reliable. Feels like a Cadillac with muscle. It is a heavy ski.  The Bonafide feels like a BMW, super-quick and polished but with a lot of bite. The Bone is relatively light.   Both will be great in up to 12 in fresh and cut-up, it just depends on what feeling you prefer.   If I use another flawed analogy, the Bone is a Mantra-like ski and 105 is Gotama-like (the old Gotama). 

 

Some point by point answers:

Steeps: 105 has a larger turn radius, so it will be more reliable on steeps (sidecut is generally bad for real steeps).

 

Tip shape:  I have not noticed much issues with the tip shape on the Bone in cut-up snow, the 105 tip shape is a classic early taper, so it worked quite well, no surprise.

 

Ease of use:  LP105 is easier to ski than the old ProRider, but not by too much.  Bonafide felt ridiculously easy to ski.  

 

P.S. A note on lengths: 180 Bone skis quite short, feels more like a 175-ish ski, 184 LP105 feels its length (more or less).   Your 184 Mythic must feel like a lot more ski than 178 Sultan, so I am wondering why you chose to get the Sultan in a shorter length.   

P.P.S. Another ski to consider is DPS112RP, but that will overlap more with Lhasa Pows. 



 

Alex, Thanks for the reply. You are correct. Owning Sultans and MR's, I really am not concerned about firm snow conditions. Having never skied the Mantra, LP or old Got, I can't relate to what you are sharing with me.
So here is my issue. I have only been skiing 7 seasons now. I do really like the feel of my Dynastar skis, as they feel solid, track well and have a dependable feel to them. Hence my thought, just buy the 105 as that will likely work too.  I just sold some 190 Praxis Back Country's that were very light, I liked them for those days when maybe you would get 4"-12" of new snow, but for some reason, every now and then in pow, one ski would track away/out from me resulting in either near crashes or a good tumble. I also had a pair of 183 Bros that would occasionally do the same thing, so both were sold this year. I have 196 Lhasa Pows that are fantastic in deep snow, but a bit much (long) for ripping around in more maneuverable conditions. I had some 187 Movement Thunders, that I loved about 4 years ago. They were a light, very energetic ski, but based on my ability 4 years ago, could be a handful as it got steeper. I replaced those with the 184 MR's a few years later and really appreciated the slightly easier to ski MR. However, I have always look back and I really liked the attributes of the Thunders and think I could handle a lighter faster ski like them now. So based on what I just said and your comment "the Bonafide felt ridiculously easy to ski".  Maybe that is my next ski just for a change of pace.
BTW, I bought the Sultan in the 179 as a replacement for some Nordica Nitrous in the same length. I use them for when I anticipate skiing bumps and initial runs down steeper stuff, as they are very easy to control.  As my skis get longer, they always go a lot faster and that isn't always desired. That is another reason I liked the sound of the 180 Bonafide. At 5'10" a 180 ski is really a good length for me as long as I am not trying to ski in deep powder.
Thanks for your thoughts and the great reviews.
 
post #34 of 42

Got my greedy fingers on a pair of the Pro 105's and a week later won the World Freeriding Championship in Valdez, Alaska.  They float very well, charge thru crud, handle speed like a pair of 220's, hold an edge on shear ice, and can take more abuse than a mortal can absorb.  It's a pleasure knowing that I won't have to experiment with any other ski, as I've found the ski for me!    Thank you, Dynastar.   Dan Van

post #35 of 42
Thread Starter 

Dan-  Do you have a link to the video of your runs?  Congratulations with you win, from what I could see in the press reports it sounds like you had a fantastic competition. 

 

 

post #36 of 42

Great review Alex.

 

My take. I went from skiing the Rossignol B-Squad 165cm/100mm to the Legend Pro Rider, 176cm /97mm, 2008 year model  I think, the orange front, black center, tan tails, with the classic script graphics. From the first run I thought: "I like the smoother, damper feel better, the ride feels totally classic, love the straight sidecut and smooth tail release, but I don't like the tip as well as the Rossi's." In the next couple seasons the tip ceased to get my attention one way or the other, but that was a function of adjusting technique. Now the Pro Rider has a tip similar to the Rossi. So the one downside I experienced is corrected. Have to check it out when I destroy my 08's. 

 

and agree with AK, LP's are bomber, indestructable, hard bases, huge edges, core that lasts 100s of days. I think the design changes are gradual because Dynastar does not want to lose the great things they have going, as they evolve forward. 

 

When it looked like Dynastar was going to abandon the Legend Pro Rider model series, many of us were disappointed, big time, and questioned the move. So stoked they will keep working with it.


Edited by davluri - 4/17/11 at 10:41am
post #37 of 42

hi! so for a 265 lb., skiier old prorider better??!!??

post #38 of 42
Thread Starter 
I don't think so, the new PR is burly enough for any skier, especially in longer lengths.
post #39 of 42

Here we go!  http://vimeo.com/22968481 1st edit World Freeriding Championships

post #40 of 42

How would these compare to the Cochise or Bonafide? 

post #41 of 42

Great question...I'm wondering the same thing.  I'm very interested in this ski....its seems like an upgrade on an already proven design for a strong skier out West. 

post #42 of 42
I have the 2010 PR in 184 and love it. Consequently have followed this thread on the 105 and it sounded very encouraging. When I saw the $399 on Dawgcatching I grabbed a pair in 184. We are in the midst of a major dumpage here in PNW and I just bagged back to back days in fresh knee deep light for here freshies. In two days I was able to lay down fresh tracks every run even in sections when returning to base area. White Pass, WA. I loved my old PR 100s but the additional width and slight rockered tip makes these new ones magical. The difference is subtle but they do everything just a little better. I would have to give these a huge thumbs up. Dynastar continues to offer models for ex-racers even in the pow which is much appreciated. Merci beaucoup!
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