Originally Posted by rush614
Originally Posted by Skidude72
"But it also limits the amount of pressure you can apply to the outside ski..."
"We see more stacking at WC because of the greater forces they generate.."
"but in more real world scenarios the emphasis changes, hence we add angulation in favour of stacking for the benefits of lateral balance it brings."
"and lets be even more frank, stacking is EASY..."
The quoted above sentences completely contradict each other. Stacking cannot limit the pressure and at the same give the ability to generate greater forces. Angulation cannot benefit balance and simultaneously be more difficult to learn.
Just another example when people simply repeat something they've been told without actually trying to understand what's being said. "We teach people how to ski instead of teaching people skiing" indeed.
Not at all:
Lets look at each of these apparent contradictions in turn:
But let me try to explain some skiing basics first:
To get ski to carve we need to bend it. To get a ski to bend we need to tip it. Side cut ensures the more we tip it, the more it can bend. A turning ski generates forces. The tighter the turn and the FASTER we are going the more forces are generated. If we have lots of speed and a tight turn...no angulation required. Stacking is better as it is a stronger body position. However a tight turn, with less speed, means less force, means we need to angulate to maintain laterl balance.
Now your "contradictions"
1st one: The full quote was
"But it also limits the amount of pressure you can apply to the outside ski, or put another way - limits the degree of edge angle you can achieve for a given degree of inclination."
Funny how you missed that second part huh?
Now in WC the guys "topple" into turns at very high speeds, with great gear, on very hard snow...allowing the skis to hook up, create high forces...to manage those forces they stack.
For everyone else, sure we "topple" too, but the speeds arent as high, the gear not as great, the snow not as great....sure the skis hook up, but not to the same extent, the forces not as high..hence if didnt angulate, we would ineffect be too inclined for the forces generated, this is known as banking. The result is the skier is forced to apply pressure to the inside ski to maintain lateral balance...thus REDUCING or at least LIMITING pressure on the outside one....
I think you undersood me...but stated "angulation cannot benefit balance and simultanesouly be more difficult to learn". Care to explain that?
I'll explain my bit...without angulation skiers struggle to generate high edge angles. So to maintain laterl balance they simply get used to skiing at low edge angles. By teaching another way to maintain lateral balance the skier is now enabled to ski with higher edge angles, thus generate sharper, more carved turns, enabling the creation of greater forces...eventually making turns that here or there dont require any angulation. Easy to do on a free run where you can just go with the flow...kinda hard on a course where turns are pre set. Look at the Ron Lemaster montages...angulation is required for portions of most of the turns, particularily in the tech events.
Hope that clarifies.
Rush...please respond. I am sure you got some good ideas.
Edited by Skidude72 - 3/17/11 at 6:44pm