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Turn with uhill ski?

post #1 of 6
Thread Starter 

I came across this article a while ago, not sure how valid is it. I've tried it a few times and it's not easy to do given how much bend the uphill leg is during carving. It did however seem to have helped me distribute some weight to up hill leg, whereas before I was putting majority of the force on the downhill edge, and a few times it was too much for the one ski to hold onto snow.






What are your thoughts?

post #2 of 6

jzmtl, there are some serious flaws in his reasoning.  I'm speaking specifically of the part about why to ski on the inside ski in your second link.  


First, lets get some terminology straight.  I hate the uphill/downhill ski reference, when talking about it in the context of executing a turn. It's confusing, because which ski is uphill, and which is downhill is changing throughout the turn.  Inside/outside is much better.  See here:








Now, with that sorted, about the flaws in the article.  In big edge angle turns the inside leg is severely flexed, and the outside leg is extended.  A flexed leg is a much weaker support mechanism for the mega forces that must be resisted when making that type of turn than an extended leg is.  The outside leg is referred to as long and strong.  It's where you need to be predominantly balanced to best be able to bear the load of the turning forces you're subjected to during big edge angle carving.  


The other problem is how he says keeping the Center of Mass more over the ski you're balanced on will result in less slipping.  That idea is flawed because the CM will always have the same lateral relationship to the ski you're balanced on, regardless of which ski that may be.  If you're balanced on your inside ski, it simply means you angulated less, and your CM has move further away from your feet.  


Hope that clears some of your questions up.  Feel free to follow up if you have more.

post #3 of 6
Thread Starter 

Thanks Rick, that makes sense, what you described is spot on with the problems I encountered trying that method.


In the few times I've tried it, I just couldn't muster enough muscle power to counter the force with my inside leg, even though I can do it with outside leg easily. Also I can't turn as tight that way, now it occurred to me it's because with the same amount of body lean (I'm sure that's not the right term), the inside ski isn't tipped as much outside ski.

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Originally Posted by jzmtl View Post

 it occurred to me it's because with the same amount of body lean (I'm sure that's not the right term), the inside ski isn't tipped as much outside ski.

Yes, that's exactly right.  Especially if you keep the inside ski more under the body, as he advocates.  The best way to ski strong on the inside ski is to put all the weight on it, and extend the inside leg.  Then you have a strong inside leg.  The outside leg looses contact when you do that.  Good for a drill to develop balance skills, but not really a great default way to ski.



post #5 of 6

I don't know if it's the way it is written and my having a totally different background, but I found those articles too confusing and not worth the effort to decipher.


I'll have another look when I'm not so tired.  Skiing doesn't need to be complicated; tip left, tip right, counter balance, counter rotate, allow separate flight paths of cm, left and right skis, position cm and skis to allow desired control.  That about cover's it.

post #6 of 6

The description is of racing turns from the 1970s.

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