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ON3P Billy Goats?

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I'm moving out west soon and I'm looking for a ski that will complete my quiver for west coast skiing. I'm absent a 105+ ski for powder since selling my Chopsticks and I'm looking for something to fill that gap.

 

I'm 6'3-6'4, 215, still fairly young and I charge hard and make large turns on edge. I recently bought some Mantras and they served this purpose perfectly, so I was initially considering the Katana as the logical step up for deeper snow. However, I decided I wanted an altogether different feeling ski if I was going to buy a new pair of skis. 

I'm looking for something maneuverable in the trees and still good for charging on the powder. I'm willing to sacrifice a bit of charge stability for less work in the trees. I was sort of pointed to these skis by a friend and I'm wondering if anyone has personal experience with them.

 

Tested Hellbents, Seths, Chopsticks, Czars, and Spoons and I like all of them. Probably looking for something of similar feel to Hellbent but maybe a little stiffer and less flappy.

 

 

Edit: Shit, wrong sub-forum. Wasn't watching which forum I was reading before making a thread.

 

My bad.


Edited by iKabrex - 3/9/11 at 2:49pm
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I'm moving out west soon and I'm looking for a ski that will complete my quiver for west coast skiing. I'm absent a 105+ ski for powder since selling my Chopsticks and I'm looking for something to fill that gap.

 

I'm 6'3-6'4, 215, still fairly young and I charge hard and make large turns on edge. I recently bought some Mantras and they served this purpose perfectly, so I was initially considering the Katana as the logical step up for deeper snow. However, I decided I wanted an altogether different feeling ski if I was going to buy a new pair of skis. 

I'm looking for something maneuverable in the trees and still good for charging on the powder. I'm willing to sacrifice a bit of charge stability for less work in the trees. I was sort of pointed to these skis by a friend and I'm wondering if anyone has personal experience with them.

 

Tested Hellbents, Seths, Chopsticks, Czars, and Spoons and I like all of them. Probably looking for something of similar feel to Hellbent but maybe a little stiffer and less flappy.

 

Edit: Shit, wrong sub-forum. Wasn't watching which forum I was reading before making a thread.

 

My bad.

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Originally Posted by iKabrex View Post

I'm moving out west soon and I'm looking for a ski that will complete my quiver for west coast skiing. I'm absent a 105+ ski for powder since selling my Chopsticks and I'm looking for something to fill that gap.

 

I'm 6'3-6'4, 215, still fairly young and I charge hard and make large turns on edge. I recently bought some Mantras and they served this purpose perfectly, so I was initially considering the Katana as the logical step up for deeper snow. However, I decided I wanted an altogether different feeling ski if I was going to buy a new pair of skis. 

I'm looking for something maneuverable in the trees and still good for charging on the powder. I'm willing to sacrifice a bit of charge stability for less work in the trees. I was sort of pointed to these skis by a friend and I'm wondering if anyone has personal experience with them.

 

Tested Hellbents, Seths, Chopsticks, Czars, and Spoons and I like all of them. Probably looking for something of similar feel to Hellbent but maybe a little stiffer and less flappy.

 

 

Edit: Shit, wrong sub-forum. Wasn't watching which forum I was reading before making a thread.

 

My bad.



If you liked the traditional sidecut of the hellbents but want something stiffer, a friend of mine just skied the Genome and was blown away by how easy to ski it was while ot being a noodle at all.  He's a traditional shape kind of dude that liked his pontoons, but now they're up for sale to get the Genomes they were so much better all around.  He said the size was daunting, but pretty much disappeared once you started skiing and they were super easy to get on edge on the groomers too. 

 

At your size though, I'd be looking at an ON3P Cease & Decist.  SICK ski, sort of like the BGs but made for more wide open pow smashery.  I know a few people who have them and they love the teats off of 'em. 

 

Billy Goats are a great ski, but tend to be VERY soft snow biased, at least in the vintage I tried them in.  Mine ended up being a tad too short for me so I think that might end up being the same story if you went with a 186.  At your H/W, I would seriously look to the C&D, not the BG.   

 

Anyways, good luck! 

 

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...wide open pow smashery.  



Nice! 

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If you liked the traditional sidecut of the hellbents but want something stiffer, a friend of mine just skied the Genome and was blown away by how easy to ski it was while ot being a noodle at all.  He's a traditional shape kind of dude that liked his pontoons, but now they're up for sale to get the Genomes they were so much better all around.  He said the size was daunting, but pretty much disappeared once you started skiing and they were super easy to get on edge on the groomers too. 

 

At your size though, I'd be looking at an ON3P Cease & Decist.  SICK ski, sort of like the BGs but made for more wide open pow smashery.  I know a few people who have them and they love the teats off of 'em. 

 

Billy Goats are a great ski, but tend to be VERY soft snow biased, at least in the vintage I tried them in.  Mine ended up being a tad too short for me so I think that might end up being the same story if you went with a 186.  At your H/W, I would seriously look to the C&D, not the BG.   

 

Anyways, good luck! 

 


Thanks very much I will look into those! They are another sick looking ski. Thanks for the advice :)

 

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The ON3P Caylors are what you want - they're pretty much a stiffer and more versatile Hellbent. The C&Ds are a lot less versatile, and not as much fun when it gets chopped up. Since you don't have a 105+ ski, I'd lean more towards the Caylors for versatility.

 

What resorts will you be skiing at? The BGs are amazing in tight trees, pillows, and other technical lines (think Crested Butte, Beaver Creek and Vail's trees), but unless you're doing a lot of them, I'd lean more towards the Caylors. I have a pair of BGs, but reach for El Dictators (i.e. Wrenegades/Big Dumps/Ragnaroks) when I'm skiing more open terrain at places like Loveland, Abasin, Breckenridge, or Silverton. If I didn't have both, or the terrain that I ski wasn't so polarized on any given day, I probably would have went with the Caylors, or a similar ski.


Edited by Brian Lindahl - 3/10/11 at 1:00pm
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The ON3P Caylors are what you want - they're pretty much a stiffer and more versatile Hellbent. The C&Ds are a lot less versatile, and not as much fun when it gets chopped up. Since you don't have a 105+ ski, I'd lean more towards the Caylors for versatility.

 

What resorts will you be skiing at? The BGs are amazing in tight trees, pillows, and other technical lines (think Crested Butte, Beaver Creek and Vail's trees), but unless you're doing a lot of them, I'd lean more towards the Caylors. I have a pair of BGs, but reach for El Dictators (i.e. Wrenegades/Big Dumps/Ragnaroks) when I'm skiing more open terrain at places like Loveland, Abasin, Breckenridge, or Silverton. If I didn't have both, or the terrain that I ski wasn't so polarized on any given day, I probably would have went with the Caylors, or a similar ski.

Likely starting at Vermont for a few months then Whistler. 
 

 

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Yeah, Whistler has a good variety of terrain. The Caylors would be a good choice. That said, they have some AMAZING technical tight trees/pillows (CBC/Crystal/etc.) and the BGs would be phenomenal for those areas, but they wouldn't be as hot in the abundance of more open terrain that they have. If you were staying in Vermont, I'd definitely pick the BGs, though.

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Yeah, Whistler has a good variety of terrain. The Caylors would be a good choice. That said, they have some AMAZING technical tight trees/pillows (CBC/Crystal/etc.) and the BGs would be phenomenal for those areas, but they wouldn't be as hot in the abundance of more open terrain that they have. If you were staying in Vermont, I'd definitely pick the BGs, though.


Thanks for the input, I'll try and demo all of them at some point. My friend has a pair of C&D's and I know someone who knows someone who has Caylors, so maybe I can snag a demo on those.

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