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Your Spyder suit: fraying and ripping...

post #1 of 17
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My Spyder GS suit (which I got the correct L size in, thanks to advice from people here) has frayed along the thigh regions for no apparent reason.  I"ve worn it to NASTAR maybe four times.  The hip is frayed after edging out and sliding on my hip, so that's to be expected, but the apparent cause-less fraying is concerning.

 

Also, there are holes along the lower leg where I wrap the suit over my boots from one of the buckles.

 

 

Anyway, two questions:

 

1.  Is this normal for Spyder GS suits?

 

2.  Will wearing a Slytech back protector cause the back to rip open? (this is a serious question).

 

 

Any help would be much appreciated!

post #2 of 17

I've crashed lots in my Spyder suit and it is holding up fine after 5 years. I have had friends rip holes in theirs from other crashes though. I guess it depends on how you fall and what you hit. I wear a Slytech back protector with no problem.

post #3 of 17

As Ken Kesey observed, "Nothing lasts."  It'll take you a while to figure out what that really means, but in terms of Spyder suits (or anything else ski racing related, for that matter), as soon as you put it on or ski on it, it's depreciated about 70%.  Suits are made to go fast, not last forever, or even until next week.  Every suit I have has holes where it wraps around my boot buckles.  Periodically, I have a suit stitched up at Mountain Mend in Boulder or some similar place, and when it trashes out completely, I trade it in for the suit recycling program at Reliable Racing and get another suit. I use an Atomic back protector for speed events, and I haven't felt that it has compromised the suit at  all;...

 

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As Ken Kesey observed, "Nothing lasts."  It'll take you a while to figure out what that really means, but in terms of Spyder suits (or anything else ski racing related, for that matter), as soon as you put it on or ski on it, it's depreciated about 70%.  Suits are made to go fast, not last forever, or even until next week.  Every suit I have has holes where it wraps around my boot buckles.  Periodically, I have a suit stitched up at Mountain Mend in Boulder or some similar place, and when it trashes out completely, I trade it in for the suit recycling program at Reliable Racing and get another suit. I use an Atomic back protector for speed events, and I haven't felt that it has compromised the suit at  all;...

 

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Thanks for the insight... and rcahill as well.  I guess I'll just try the back protector and hope it holds up. 

 

With regards to your comments on things not lasting, that's what I feared when I began to see frays on the thighs after just one use... I guess I'm just upset that race suits are this fragile, given the outrageous pricing.  But I guess it's good to know there is a trade-in program.  I feel my suit is going to burst one day... I just hope it's not soon, and not during an upcoming race.

post #5 of 17

Yeah same thing happened to me.  I bought the Bode GS (the green one) at the beginning of the year and after the first day of use the butt and behind the knee areas were already "pilling".  It really does piss me off that for something that absurdly expensive, it doesn't hold up at all.

post #6 of 17

Mine is one of the "comp" series and about 5 years old. So far it's held up well-some pilling and whiteness on the rear and around the boots, but no tears. I use it 3-4 times a week for our two month racing season. No special care-it gets crammed into the race bag going to and coming home for races, draped over something to dry inbetween, and hung up on a hanger in the off season.

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Yeah same thing happened to me.  I bought the Bode GS (the green one) at the beginning of the year and after the first day of use the butt and behind the knee areas were already "pilling".  It really does piss me off that for something that absurdly expensive, it doesn't hold up at all.


Same suit same thing.  by the end of the season(now) behind knees major, thighs/butt, waist, and arms are all "pilling".  also some holes by boots.  don't thinks its gonna rip but it seems ridiculous to spend that money but then for it to be pillling/ getting messed up so fast from normal use.

 

post #8 of 17

I have a Descente GS and Dainese GS suit....first day I put on the Descente suit stitching in some of the padded areas popped.   Anytime velcro touches the suit it will pile.   I dont have any tears, some burn marks from gates.   But anytime you have a hard surface like your buckles under the suit and it gets hit by aother hard surface, like a gate, it will cut, this even happens with regular ski pants.  My colors are not washed out though, other than some piling the suits look new.....but they also dont get washed unless they need to get washed....which is rare since there is no perspiration (since I am freezing) and I wear two layers of undergarments.  The Dainese seems to be of slightly better quality, but it also retailed for a lot more.  Falls have not caused any damage at all to my surprise.  I wear a Head back protector, and every time I put on the suit I think its all gonna tear apart.

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I have a Descente GS and Dainese GS suit....first day I put on the Descente suit stitching in some of the padded areas popped.   Anytime velcro touches the suit it will pile.   I dont have any tears, some burn marks from gates.   But anytime you have a hard surface like your buckles under the suit and it gets hit by aother hard surface, like a gate, it will cut, this even happens with regular ski pants.  My colors are not washed out though, other than some piling the suits look new.....but they also dont get washed unless they need to get washed....which is rare since there is no perspiration (since I am freezing) and I wear two layers of undergarments.  The Dainese seems to be of slightly better quality, but it also retailed for a lot more.  Falls have not caused any damage at all to my surprise.  I wear a Head back protector, and every time I put on the suit I think its all gonna tear apart.



Thank you... this post was very helpful.  (also, thanks to everyone else who chimed it).

 

I'm glad to know the "pilling" (which is what I think I meant when I said "fraying") is normal.

 

 

 

Does anyone know if the suits the pros wear are the same "hundies matter"???  Some of the suits I see on the World Cup racers look (in high res images; NOT on tv) to be much thicker and never pilled.  I'm aware those people get new suits often, and are certainly wearing suits regular poeple might never get a chance to wear, but would purchasing the "Authentic US Alpine suit" from Spyder give you a higher quality suit? 

 

I'm thinking that even though its more money and you might look like "that guy," if it didn't pill as much I might buy one.  But please, somebody correct me if this is nonsense and those suits will pill just as easily as the regular Spyder GS suits.

post #10 of 17

The new Spyder GS suits (Bode, Ted, and Lindsay models) are the exact same suit that all three of them used last year.  The suits used at the olympics will probably be available to consumers next year too.  That being said, they get a new suit every race, or every other race depending.
 

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Thank you... this post was very helpful.  (also, thanks to everyone else who chimed it).

 

I'm glad to know the "pilling" (which is what I think I meant when I said "fraying") is normal.

 

 

 

Does anyone know if the suits the pros wear are the same "hundies matter"???  Some of the suits I see on the World Cup racers look (in high res images; NOT on tv) to be much thicker and never pilled.  I'm aware those people get new suits often, and are certainly wearing suits regular poeple might never get a chance to wear, but would purchasing the "Authentic US Alpine suit" from Spyder give you a higher quality suit? 

 

I'm thinking that even though its more money and you might look like "that guy," if it didn't pill as much I might buy one.  But please, somebody correct me if this is nonsense and those suits will pill just as easily as the regular Spyder GS suits.



 

post #11 of 17

What he said, and I doubt those suits will be any more resilient than the ones available this year.  Which doesn't mean they are bad.  I have one of this year's Spyder USST suits (same red, white and blue design as last year's Olympic suits), and I like it a lot.  Yes, it's fragile, but Spyder got smart and changed the fit and added a longer zipper.  The suit is incredibly quick, and the pads are in exactly the right places. I have 5 suits, some of them serveral seasons old, and I rotate them.  If you have one suit, it's generally pretty trashed by the end of the season.  I addition, I have one padded suit that I dedicate to SL.  SL shinguards trash suits faster than anything else, IMHO...

 

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The new Spyder GS suits (Bode, Ted, and Lindsay models) are the exact same suit that all three of them used last year.  The suits used at the olympics will probably be available to consumers next year too.  That being said, they get a new suit every race, or every other race depending.
 



 



 

post #12 of 17
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Thank you... this post was very helpful.  (also, thanks to everyone else who chimed it).

 

I'm glad to know the "pilling" (which is what I think I meant when I said "fraying") is normal.

 

 

A quick survey around the hill at the kids' race this weekend, it seemed that the Spyder suits suffered considerably more pilling than any other brand such as Karbon or Louis Garneau (the latter two showed very little if any at all). Spyder however is probably a good 80-85% of the market around here.

post #13 of 17

Race suits are made from a special knit fabric that is designed not only to be very elastic but to allow certain air flow through the material in order to be FIS compliant. There are other non-pilling materials but they are not FIS legal and do not have the same elasticity. If you do not race FIS then these suits my be a better option (Energiapura and our new SRD lower end Non-FIS suits). Keep the suit away from Velcro as that is brutal on the material.

 

Another issue is the way the suits are printed, many companies simply have their suits sublimated which does not infuse the material with much ink. Screen or "Deep Print" printed suits tend to pill much less and don't go "white" when stretched. Also stay away from suits that do not use zig-zag stitching for the pads. Straight stitching will not be as elastic and almost always rip quickly.

 

Its also a good idea to put some duct tape on the inside of the suit where it goes over the buckles.

 

In Spyder's defense they use Swiss Eschler fabric, the exact same material used by most every manufacturer. The Eschler material is the best available, fastest and most elastic and is generally FIS compliant. In the end pilling is normal (just like a knit sweater) given the abuse these suits take its remarkable they last  as long as they do.

 

Actual WC Team suits are available from almost every company. Spyder and Descente's WC suits are both Eschler and made in the same Swiss factory. Bogner, Halti, Goldwin come from a French company. Austria's Schoffels are  made in Italy, Phenix I believe still make their WC suits in Japan. Italy's team WC suits are Energiapura and made in Italy as are the French and British Colmars. I think other than Phenix they all use Eschler.

 

 

post #14 of 17

If you are not racing FIS events, no need to buy the FIS compliant suit. The non FIS can be a tighter weave and a little warmer as well as cheaper. Unless you are winning or losing races by one or 2 hundreds, the performance differences are insignificant (and I think but can't prove) that tighter weaves (i.e., non FIS) should be faster.

post #15 of 17
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Part of the reason I like the "Performance GS" suits from Spyder is that they feature full body padding (knees, hips, back, shoulder, forearm) so you are protected from gates and even falls.

 

Do any of the non-FIS suits feature such full-padding?

post #16 of 17

 

It may be happening in your washing machine, especially if its a top loader.
 

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, but the apparent cause-less fraying is concerning.

post #17 of 17
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It may be happening in your washing machine, especially if its a top loader.
 



I'm actually yet to wash it, as I fear a machine wash will mess it up beyond repair.

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