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salomon shogun/ rossignol s7 which size?

post #1 of 10
Thread Starter 

Hello guys

 

I am planning to buy skis for my self. I want skis wich will be very good for offpiste and also can be skied on piste. 

 

Im have been skiing a lot on the piste and lately also offpiste. Im not a very good offpiste skier(because off my skills but mostly because of raceskis)

Im almost sure that i will buy the salomon shoguns. But im still thinking of the rossignol s7 because I heard the rossi s7 are easier to ski. 

 

I want skis that are easy to turn and are great in powder/crud but also can bne skied on piste. I want the skis to float very wel!

 

Im about 1 meter and 90 centimeters high and i weight 77/78 kilos. Wich size should i get for the shogun? 1:91 or 1:81?

 

And wich ski would you recomend s7 or shogun?

 

Thanks!

 

 

 

post #2 of 10

These are 2 completely different skis.  One is new and deep snow, one is all-mountain.  As an example: today at Squaw, early first few runs was wind-blown in, relatively smooth, kind of heavy.  Bigger skis here, the S7, would have been the ticket, although the Shogun would have been fun too, just not quite as fun, as it can get bogged down in heavier snow. In Sun Bowl, where it was heavy, untracked snow, the bigger skis are probably better as well; you don't want to be fighting a release out of that heavy paste.  Once it got tracked out a bit, skiing soft chutes, the Shogun would have come into it's own; much quicker edge to edge, more confident in skied-off steeps.  And, later in the day, when the mountain was getting bumped out; no question the Shogun is a superior ski.  We were lapping Chute 75;  Most of the locals were on their ~100mm skis at that point; which handle great in soft bumps.  I was on my MX108's in the morning, and swapped out to the Sultan 94's PM. I think I had the right skis for both the soft AM snow and the tracked out, bumped up PM snow. Judging by what most of the locals were skiing, that seems to be pretty common in Squaw. 

 

So, it depends on what you ski more of.  Shogun is much "easier" in bumps and steeps; you have a tail to work with; it is quicker to move from one edge set to another; you can expect the tail to "pop" a bit when you are at the end of the turn as you reach down to plant and move the COM over the skis for that next turn, helping for much quicker edge changes.  The S7 will be easier in soft snow, much slarvier, turnier, and have a short contact length when the snow isn't deep.   You need a good amount of snow to really make it do it's thing; it is a struggle in steep Tahoe-like terrain once things get skied out. 

 

Judging by what I saw today, it looked like the Shogun was the official "daily driver" at Squaw.  Lots of Mantras and Legend Pro Riders as well, especially on the feet of the guys that ski 5-6 days a week. 

post #3 of 10
Thread Starter 

Okay then:) I think I will stick with the shogun then.

 

But is the sogun also good for carving in de powder?

 

Wich size should I get?(1:82 or 1:91).   I am 1 meter and 90 centimeters and weight about 78 kilos.

 

I am not bad but also not a grreat skiieer so i dont if i could handle 1:91 cm ski's

post #4 of 10

The Shogun is going to be good for carve turns in 8" of powder with a soft base.

 

If you have 18" of powder or deeper, you will want a 15 to 30mm wider ski to be able to push and carve against the snow, sometimes doing a surfing type turn on the surface.

 

This purely theoretical of course.

post #5 of 10
Thread Starter 

Okay thank you:)

 

now what left is the size of the ski!:P

 

Which should I get? I already wrote my body size and weight.

 

I want good float, but also be able to make nice turns(im not bad skier but also not great)

post #6 of 10

I just bought the Shoguns in 182.  I'm 175 (79.5 kg) and 5'11" (180 cm).  Bought this ski on the recommendation of Dawgcatchin and other reviewers.  Prefer to ski powder, crud, trees, & soft bumps, mostly at Heavenly and Kirkwood.  Although I ski 50+ days per season, I don't buy skis very often (these are replacing my worn-out 2001 Line Motherships) and hadn't demoed anything I liked recently.  The Shoguns are amazing skis (Thank You Dawgcatchin!!!).  Very light, responsive, versatile, forgiving, happy on the groomers, love crud, fun and easy in soft bumps, stable at speed, good energy, just can't say enough about these skis.  Other reviewers have said the 191's are stiffer, which would be typical.  Being that they are tip-rockered they ski shorter on the groomers, more like a 170 (so they turn on a dime).  The 182's are fine for me, plenty of float, and at 59, I don't need any more speed than they can provide.  My 30 year old, 6'2" 215 lb son would probably want the 191's as he likes to fly.

post #7 of 10
When I demoed the shoguns, I found them heavy. I wonder if the weight of the demo binding would make that much difference?
post #8 of 10

I mounted very light Atomic FFG bindings directly to my skis for that very reason.  I don't need high DIN settings (8-9 is fine for me), but I am 59.  Also, I didn't want any elevation from a plate on this wider ski.  My elan 777's, with 77 waist, 176 length and Marker twin cam bindings on a plate (heavy!!!) weigh more than my 182 length 101 waist Shoguns with the Atomic bindings.  I think the bamboo construction makes the Shoguns light.  Also the basalt they use sounds heavy, but I believe they spin it into a fiber similar to carbon fiber, so it is light but perhaps offers better damping (?).

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When I demoed the shoguns, I found them heavy. I wonder if the weight of the demo binding would make that much difference?
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I mounted very light Atomic FFG bindings directly to my skis for that very reason.  I don't need high DIN settings (8-9 is fine for me), but I am 59.  Also, I didn't want any elevation from a plate on this wider ski.  My elan 777's, with 77 waist, 176 length and Marker twin cam bindings on a plate (heavy!!!) weigh more than my 182 length 101 waist Shoguns with the Atomic bindings.  I think the bamboo construction makes the Shoguns light.  Also the basalt they use sounds heavy, but I believe they spin it into a fiber similar to carbon fiber, so it is light but perhaps offers better damping (?).


Just out of curiosity, I did a simple search for weights of some comparable skis around the 100mm range:

 

Shogun:   4080 grams  (waist 101mm)

 

Black Diamond Megawatt:    4200 grams  (120mm waist)

 

Volkl Gotama:   4670 grams (106mm waist)

 

K2 Sidestash:  4140 grams  (108mm waist)

 

Dynastar Sultan 94:  4100 grams   (94mm waist)

 

Head Johnny 94:   4173 grams  (94mm waist)   

 

caveat:  Ski weights are very hard to find for many models.  I'm not going to even pretend that these weights are exact because they don't come from manufacturer websites but rather from retailer review sites, etc.  

 

The most important takeaway, I think, is that most of these weights are pretty darned close to each other and relative weight probably isn't all that significant in the overall equation of which ski to choose.  

 

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Just out of curiosity, I did a simple search for weights of some comparable skis around the 100mm range:

 

Shogun:   4080 grams  (waist 101mm)

 

Black Diamond Megawatt:    4200 grams  (120mm waist)

 

Volkl Gotama:   4670 grams (106mm waist)

 

K2 Sidestash:  4140 grams  (108mm waist)

 

Dynastar Sultan 94:  4100 grams   (94mm waist)

 

Head Johnny 94:   4173 grams  (94mm waist)   

 

caveat:  Ski weights are very hard to find for many models.  I'm not going to even pretend that these weights are exact because they don't come from manufacturer websites but rather from retailer review sites, etc.  

 

The most important takeaway, I think, is that most of these weights are pretty darned close to each other and relative weight probably isn't all that significant in the overall equation of which ski to choose.  

 


Agreed.  Weight isn't a primary consideration.  Not sure how important swing weight really is, but doubt lighter can hurt.  If nothing else lighter is nice for schlepping (a pound is a huge deal in a laptop!)  I did seek out light bindings, something I could easily choose.  I assumed the Shoguns would be heavier due to their width, and thought lighter bindings might help offset this, as I have no need for a heavy race binding.  I just couldn't help having this horrific vision of winding up with a pair of Panzers like my buddy's AC 30's (obviously a different ski, but which I demoed last year and truly hated--too heavy, too stiff, too much sidecut).  Anyway, I was pleasantly surprised and relieved when UPS delivered the Shoguns, and ecstatic after I mounted up and skied them....

 

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