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Armada JJ, Rossignol S7, or ON3P Billy Goat?

post #1 of 11
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Hello. I am 5'10 and 180lbs. I'm looking for a lighter weight ski  that is a beast in the deep powder, but also handles sharp turns in moguls. I'd consider myself an intermediate to advanced skier, but you'll only find me on double diamonds and big mountain runs. I'm not great off jumps, and I don't ride switch, but I plan on learning.

I have read so many blogs and reviews, and there seems to be a constant dispute between these three skis.

SO WHICH ONE?? AND WHAT SIZE?

post #2 of 11

The S7 and BG are directional twins, they aren't designed to be rode switch. As far as ON3P's offerings go the Caylor better fits what you described. I'm not sure what Rossi offers similarly.

 

I would look at the Atomic Bentchetler, as well as the upcoming Mr Pollards Opus, and Sir Francis Bacon from Line.

post #3 of 11

sharp turns in Moguls?  Beast in the powder....

 

Double diamonds and big mountain runs....

 

This is above my ability. This calls for someone with big GNAR points to respond

post #4 of 11
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Originally Posted by Finndog View Post

sharp turns in Moguls?  Beast in the powder....

 

Double diamonds and big mountain runs....

 

This is above my ability. This calls for someone with big GNAR points to respond

roflmao.gif
 

 

post #5 of 11

OK, so he has 2 posts, guys. And seems south of 20. OP: Using all caps except in an acronym means you're shouting and way too urgent. No one likes being shouted at. More generally, no one can magically tell you what ski to buy; ski forums are to advise you on comparisons, give you opinions based on experience. If you've already read all the reviews, then it may be time to make your own call, or if you can't, then rethink your priorities.

 

At your size, you should be looking at skis in the 180's. If planning to learn to ride switch means freestyle to you, launching off natural features, landing backwards a lot, then definitely go for something like a Hellbent that's closer to symmetrical and a traditional sidecut. If switch means that you want to occasionally land backwards, ski a bit backwards to take advantage of features, use the falling leaf effectively in bumps, then most skis with even a flip tail work, and for sure "directional" skis with tail rocker, which is not vastly different than a twin. In second case, look for a more centered mounting point and not too much taper. The S7 works decently - I'm trying to improve my carving switch - but obviously not a freestyle ski. Have heard the JJ is better because it's more symmetrical. (Also the lightest and most nimble of the three, BG is the heaviest and most planted at speed, S7 in the middle. ) OTOH, 5-point designs like the S7 and JJ can go very odd in a hurry if you shift your CM suddenly toward the front or back convex curves. You may find the ski going the opposite direction you expected. 

 

Unclear what a beast in powder is, if you mean plenty of float, all these work. If you mean planted at mach looney, none of them work. Well, the BG might be OK. But other skis are better. If you mean handles powder well, that's mainly the pilot. 

 

Also unclear what "sharp turns" in bumps mean with a 115 mm waisted ski. You don't wanna carve them in bumps usually. If you mean quick pivots and smears, any of the skis you mentioned will do fine, probably in the order of JJ-S7-BG. Try TGR for more fat ski reviews, plenty on the skis you mention, suggest reading for a while to get the sense of the place before posting. 

 

Finally, if you're intermediate to advanced, want to learn to do all the stuff you talk about, suggest you get off the double blacks. Practice your craft on forgiving blues. Take a few lessons. Then go slay the backside...

post #6 of 11

Beyond gets 500 GNAR points for actually taking the time to intelligently respond. I should be more patient and understanding.... good job...

 

Danny, I see this didn't go so well on TGR..... 

 

 

post #7 of 11

Thanks Finn; just saw over at TGR he decided on JJ's before I wrote this. roflmao.gif

post #8 of 11
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Originally Posted by Finndog View Post

Beyond gets 500 GNAR points for actually taking the time to intelligently respond. I should be more patient and understanding.... good job...

 

Danny, I see this didn't go so well on TGR..... 

 

 


I think it went well, a little humor, and some solid advice.

 

post #9 of 11

well, better here than there... although I must say after reading the TGR thread, i felt bad for the kid. Yeah my guess is waayy south of 20. My guess is probably not had his 1st surgery yet...  however, gotta the double diamond and sharp bumps thing....   yeah, I pretty much shred the GNAR ya' know dude? where's my PBR?  worthless.gif

post #10 of 11

i have question :

Tip to Tail Length: 176cm

Dimensions: 140/116/125

Running Length: 111cm Sidecut Length: 121cm

Turn Radius: 20.7m

Tip Rocker: 23cm x 2cm

Tail Rocker: 13cm x 1.5cm

Tip & Tail Length: 14.5cm

Mount: -6cm

Full Twin

 

 

The rocker of tip  is 2CM high? and the tail is 1.5 high??

 

could you help me?

thanks@

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Originally Posted by Priest View Post

i have question :

Tip to Tail Length: 176cm

Dimensions: 140/116/125

Running Length: 111cm Sidecut Length: 121cm

Turn Radius: 20.7m

Tip Rocker: 23cm x 2cm

Tail Rocker: 13cm x 1.5cm

Tip & Tail Length: 14.5cm

Mount: -6cm

Full Twin

 

 

The rocker of tip  is 2CM high? and the tail is 1.5 high??

 

could you help me?

thanks@

Yes, 2cm high by 23cm long and 1.5cm high by 13cm long.

 

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