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3 Ski Quiver...Salomon Sentinel and Volkl Racetiger SL- What's in the middle?

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Hello EPIC,

 

I am a bit of a "lurker"...I have been reading this board for months and have made my ski decisions based on the great advice of the experts here at EPIC.  I am a bit hesitant to ask for help, but I hope you can help me find the third and "final" (haha) ski in my quiver.

 

 

165 Volkl Racetiger SL in a 165- Awesome ski to carve the ice and hardpack that we generally experience in the NE. Love this ski!  115-66-98 on the 165.

 

177 Salomon Sentinel in a 177- Picked this ski up for $329 from REI after seeing a number of positive posts and reviews on this forum. 129-94-120 in the 177. Have not had it out yet!

 

I am 37 years old, 6' and 220 pounds and live in the NE. I hesitate to classify my skiing as I am relatively (4 years) new to skiing.  I am an athletic, aggressive skier who skis almost all blacks as fast as I can. Bumps and trees are not my strong suite although I am looking for a ski to help me along in this area. 

 

SO- What's in the middle?? I'd like a ski that I can use for when the snow softens up a bit and I want to ski trees and bumps. I am thinking something in the mid-80 range, Watea 84 or something similar. Line Prophet 90s? Something with a bit of rocker? Given the fact that I love the carving ability of the Racetiger and am looking for something to use as my second half of the day/ new snow ski, what would you all recommend that I try. I realize I will sacrifice carving ability for better performance in the bumps and trees...Many thanks for the help! 

 

 

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Originally Posted by nvr2late View Post

Hello EPIC,

 

SO- What's in the middle?? I'd like a ski that I can use for when the snow softens up a bit and I want to ski trees and bumps. I am thinking something in the mid-80 range, Watea 84 or something similar. Line Prophet 90s? Something with a bit of rocker? Given the fact that I love the carving ability of the Racetiger and am looking for something to use as my second half of the day/ new snow ski, what would you all recommend that I try. I realize I will sacrifice carving ability for better performance in the bumps and trees...Many thanks for the help! 

 

 


For the ski your describing I recently sold my softer Nordica Nitrous and purchased a pair of 178 Dynastar Sultan 85"s. Like yourself, I am heavy at 200lbs and wanted a firmer ski in the Dynastars. With only one day on them, I would say they work well as expected in bumps and the steeps. They are a ski that really wants to turn compared to my 184 Mythic Riders. I expect to get a few days in on them this weekend at Mammoth and will likely post up my opinions next week.

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Why don't you try your Sentinels and see how they/you do?
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As versatile as the Sentinel is...I am not sure I would bother with something in the middle. Use the $$ for a BIG powder ski. 

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Originally Posted by Philpug View Post

As versatile as the Sentinel is...I am not sure I would bother with something in the middle. Use the $$ for a BIG powder ski. 


Or some lessons at a resort of your choice out west . You are only four years into it and there is still much to learn.

Your Racetiger SL should make a good bump ski, I know several skiers who ski them in Bumps and they work very well as do my Blizzard Race SLR Mag IQ's do. Your Saloman's should be good for the softer snow. After a few lessons and a few new skills your needs for a third ski may dissapear or change completely.

Good Luck,

Rick G
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Thanks Rick,

That is good advice. I failed to mention that prior to skiing I boarded for ten years and have done a ton of waterskiing. I am so happy to be skiing that it is easy to get caught up in the gear buying! I am lucky that my main ski buddy is a level 2 instructor and he has been great! Thanks for your advice though, much appreciated!

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Originally Posted by Philpug View Post

As versatile as the Sentinel is...I am not sure I would bother with something in the middle. Use the $$ for a BIG powder ski. 



I agree with Philpug.  Sentinel is the middle.  I would shop for something fatter with rocker.

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SO, Three Ski Quiver in the Northeast...Done?

 

Volkl Racetiger Sl- 165   For the icey, hard packed days.

 

Sollie Sentinel- 177 For the softer snow days and crud.

 

Blizzard One- 177- For the trees and after a big dump.

 

Any thoughts? Kind of interested in the Line Prophets, but seems like this quiver is more than sufficient!  Thanks!

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Hmmm?  How about this.  Don't buy anything this year.  Instead, go out and demo a bunch of stuff for the rest of the season then buy what you like next year.....and think out of the box.  Lots of great choices out there.  I would suggest the following:

 

178cm DPS Wailer 112RP (available in a 184cm next year)

185cm Armada JJ (available in a 175cm)

179cm Line Prophet 115 (also available in a 186cm)

173cm Icelantic Shaman (not rockered and also available in a 185cm)

 

Common consensus is that you should ski a rockered ski in a longer length than you would a non rockered ski.  I agree but some can get away with skiing them as short as they would ski a non rockered ski.  Don't feel compelled to go with the flow but I would try before you buy so that you know what you are getting into.

 

Think of it this way.  Every ski has its performance window and its sweet spot within that window.  Your Racetiger and Sentinel overlap a little and complement each other.  Sentinel and the One overlap a lot - either could fill the middle ground of your quiver.  The above suggestions overlap a little with the Sentinel but will make you feel like Bruce Lee in Eye of the Tiger and change your life in the pow pow, tree skiing, crud, etc.

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Don't get something in the middle...Get something to top it all off

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Originally Posted by nvr2late View Post

SO, Three Ski Quiver in the Northeast...Done?

 

Volkl Racetiger Sl- 165   For the icey, hard packed days.

 

Sollie Sentinel- 177 For the softer snow days and crud.

 

Blizzard One- 177- For the trees and after a big dump.

 

Any thoughts? Kind of interested in the Line Prophets, but seems like this quiver is more than sufficient!  Thanks!



kinda of useless to own both the sentinel and the one, id pick one or the other.  where do you normally ski at?

 

 

you really should ski the Sentinel before you just start trying to buy other skis.

 

 

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i have the Sentinals and am about the same size as you. although i live out west i won't bother with anything narrower. try it, you might just love it. it is a awesome ski that can go from groomed to pow and everything in between.  i agree with everybody else, look at a fat true pow ski to round out your quiver...or perhaps just keep buying skies until you have one each in the 70, 80, 90, 100, 105, 110, etc....sounds like you may already be on that path. 

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Ha! Thank you for all of the advice...and I get it! I will get on the Sentinel this weekend up at Mt. Snow and see how it goes. The rush to buy is just the deals that are available are so great....I will only keep a 3 ski quiver regardless, and for now the Senti and the Racetiger are all that I own. If skis weren't so cheap at the moment this thread wouldn't exist!  I ski with my kids and getting out to "demo" skis is just not very easy. Again, all the advice is much appreciated! Getting out West is a dream at the moment, my best chance for Pow is one more big dump before spring...let it snow!

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kinda of useless to own both the sentinel and the one, id pick one or the other.  where do you normally ski at?

 

 

you really should ski the Sentinel before you just start trying to buy other skis.

 

 

Bush- you obviously love the ONE from the posts I have seen...would you think the Sentinel might be OK in the trees since it is "rockered"...I know, I know...rockered skis for east coast trees! Thanks!
 

 

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For its category the Sentinel absolutely rips!  It is a bit of a handful but if you can push around Racetigers the Sentinel will get the job done in the pow, crud, trees, etc.  There certainly are a lot of good deals on skis right now but good luck finding any of my suggestions on sale or in stock for that matter.  Deals on killer pow skis are hard to come by.  Deals on Sentinels, Ones, etc. are a dime a dozen.  Get the picture?

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For its category the Sentinel absolutely rips!  It is a bit of a handful but if you can push around Racetigers the Sentinel will get the job done in the pow, crud, trees, etc.  There certainly are a lot of good deals on skis right now but good luck finding any of my suggestions on sale or in stock for that matter.  Deals on killer pow skis are hard to come by.  Deals on Sentinels, Ones, etc. are a dime a dozen.  Get the picture?



Rug,

Thanks for advice...buying a powder ski sounds awesome...except that I am a realist and know that I will be skiing on the east coast for the majority of my 20 days a year.  I hope one day to really need a powder ski! 

 

The Watea 84 in a 176 sounds like a decent midpoint ski...advice on the prophet 90 seems to suggest that it is too close to the Sentinel as far as 90 vs 94 underfoot...need an east coast trees and bumps recommendation! 

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