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S7 ? Or keep the goats - Help barking bears, i have 48 hours to decide.

post #1 of 11
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Hey,

 

So a couple years ago with the help of Epic i decided on some Tokyo nights Volkl Gotama's and now I need you again!

 

A bit about myself

155lbs

5'11''

Skiing - Since I was 10, Mostly blacks and double blacks now. Not really gonna shy away from anything but tight trees, tree chutes are not something I find fun. Favorite things to ski are high alpine bowls. Ski areas I frequent are Sunshine, Lake Louise, Kicking horse (favorite), Revelstoke and marmot. Ill ski pretty much any run at any resort and had the second best run of my life on my Gotamas after hiking the terminator last friday.

 

Current connundrum - I have located some 2012 188 Rossi S7's at a reasonable price and they are on hold till tuesday Want - A ski that is more forgiving then the overly stiff gotamas, something that is more entertaining to ski and a little less work.

 

Current quiver - Dynastar contact 10 - Love these for days without new snow - 172 length -

                       Tokyo Nights 2009 NON CAMBER NON ROCKER Gotama - 176 length (yes they feel a bit short but i like em turny)

 

 

Potential solution - Take the marker jesters off my Gotamas (if this can be done) and mount them up on the S7, and then get some touring bindings for the goats as I figure they would make a pretty decent touring ski. 

 

Thoughts or recommendations?

post #2 of 11

The S-7 is clearly the most popular new ski on the mountain, and for many reasons. You're looking for fun.....the S-7 provides, and now options for metal sandwich or no metal.

post #3 of 11

I own the 176 "Tokyo Nights" Gotoma and the 188 S7.  I also regularly ski on a 172 Dynastar Contact Limited.  I'm 5'10" 180 lbs.  I don't find the Goats to be stiff at all.  The S7 is more of a cheater ski than the Goat, but I find the Goat to be a more versatile ski... if I could only have one ski it would probably be the Goat.  I can only keep 3 pairs at The Village and this season it has been the S7, the Contacts, and my tele set-up.  So I have only skied the Goats a few times in early December this year.  As much as I loved them the two seasons previous, this year they felt soft and short.  I think the Goats would be an outstanding touring ski.  I find the S7 to be much more versatile than I expected them to be.  The S7/Contact split is pretty wide, but it has worked well for me this year.  I would have skied the Goats on many days that I used the Contacts if I had room to store them at the mountain.

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Originally Posted by tetonpwdrjunkie View Post

I own the 176 "Tokyo Nights" Gotoma and the 188 S7.  I also regularly ski on a 172 Dynastar Contact Limited.  I'm 5'10" 180 lbs.  I don't find the Goats to be stiff at all.  The S7 is more of a cheater ski than the Goat, but I find the Goat to be a more versatile ski... if I could only have one ski it would probably be the Goat.  I can only keep 3 pairs at The Village and this season it has been the S7, the Contacts, and my tele set-up.  So I have only skied the Goats a few times in early December this year.  As much as I loved them the two seasons previous, this year they felt soft and short.  I think the Goats would be an outstanding touring ski.  I find the S7 to be much more versatile than I expected them to be.  The S7/Contact split is pretty wide, but it has worked well for me this year.  I would have skied the Goats on many days that I used the Contacts if I had room to store them at the mountain.



I found the goats useless without new snow and i expect much the same from the S7, but if the S7 does a better job dealing with crud and chop then thats what i am after.  I get bounced around pretty badly on the goats when i encounter crud and what not.

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I found the goats useless without new snow and i expect much the same from the S7, but if the S7 does a better job dealing with crud and chop then thats what i am after.  I get bounced around pretty badly on the goats when i encounter crud and what not.

 

From my experience, the S7s are terrible at this. You'll get bounced and thrown even worse than with your Goats. I own a pair of 183 old Goats and tried a pair of S7s.

post #6 of 11

The S-7s are agile and damp enough to go through the crud and mank to go find the good snow and then have fun and not get bounced around.

 

biggrin.gif If there's no good snow around, it is what it is, and you won't ride through it smoothly and easily on anything, (except a Legend Pro wink.gif  that is.)

 

Just today we had snow that really was hard to handle on any ski made. Interesting for these discussions. The only thing that worked was to go very fast and surf with very wide skis, risking total destruction if you hit something you don't see.

post #7 of 11
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deal is done, im moving my jesters to the S7 and keeping a close eye out for some marker dukes for my gotamas (unless someone knows of another touring binding that is lighter but will still release in the event of a serious fall)

post #8 of 11

I'm not sure it's the ski.
 

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Originally Posted by CanehdianJ View Post





I found the goats useless without new snow and i expect much the same from the S7, but if the S7 does a better job dealing with crud and chop then thats what i am after.  I get bounced around pretty badly on the goats when i encounter crud and what not.



 

post #9 of 11

Every other touring binding is lighter and they will all release in the event of a fall.  That being said, I do like my Dukes for short tours on Teton Pass.  I wouldn't like them as much for longer climbs.  I would put the Dukes on the S7s and leave the Gotomas as is.
 

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Originally Posted by CanehdianJ View Post

deal is done, im moving my jesters to the S7 and keeping a close eye out for some marker dukes for my gotamas (unless someone knows of another touring binding that is lighter but will still release in the event of a serious fall)



 

post #10 of 11
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Originally Posted by tetonpwdrjunkie View Post

I'm not sure it's the ski.
 



 

could be that i was just getting really tired, could be that my boots are banging my shins (but thats hopefully been dealt with) but regardless, i have been feeling like the goats are too short lately and want something longer.  

 

as for bindings, ill weigh my options.  I think the goats would be a better touring ski when it comes down to it, i still may sell them though, its a matter of skiing the S7 a bit more and seeing what I like.  The ones i demoed were pretty damned fun.
 

 

post #11 of 11
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Originally Posted by tetonpwdrjunkie View Post

I own the 176 "Tokyo Nights" Gotoma and the 188 S7.  I also regularly ski on a 172 Dynastar Contact Limited.  I'm 5'10" 180 lbs.  I don't find the Goats to be stiff at all.  The S7 is more of a cheater ski than the Goat, but I find the Goat to be a more versatile ski... if I could only have one ski it would probably be the Goat.  I can only keep 3 pairs at The Village and this season it has been the S7, the Contacts, and my tele set-up.  So I have only skied the Goats a few times in early December this year.  As much as I loved them the two seasons previous, this year they felt soft and short.  I think the Goats would be an outstanding touring ski.  I find the S7 to be much more versatile than I expected them to be.  The S7/Contact split is pretty wide, but it has worked well for me this year.  I would have skied the Goats on many days that I used the Contacts if I had room to store them at the mountain.


I owned the 183 09 Goat, currently on the 188 S7, weigh 165. Agree with ^^^^ that the Goats are not especially stiff, are forgiving and versatile for that genre. I always found them acceptable on hardpack you encounter doing laps. If they're throwing you at 176, suggest pilot issues, a lesson might help. That said, also agree that the S7's are weirdly effective on groomers as long as you take it easy and realize that the relevant sidecut is in the middle, not out at the shovel. Neither the pre-rocker Goat not the S7 are beefy damp crud busters like a XXL, but I've found the S7 to be fine in heavy chop/crud at normal speeds as long as they're arcing. Most skis, these included, will jounce you around in stiff crud if you're running flat at speed. A point that should be reiterated: At your size, if you like to arc around in soft snow, smear and pivot bumps, do trees and so on, IMO the S7 cannot be beat by any ski out there (haven't skied JJ's, I know they have their admirers). OTOH, if you like to mach big chopped up bowls, crave stability above all, they're not your ski, regardless of your size. 

 

So if your mission fits, and you have the $$, your idea of using the S7's as your soft snow ski and keeping the Goats - which are surprisingly light -  for AT should work. Especially since the Contacts work well in light pow or bumps, not just a hardpack ski. 

 


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