Originally Posted by handhdad
I was in a ski shop today discussing a heel lift for my wife - a level 1 instructor- in order to get her "more forward". He did a demonstration with my wife and my 14 year old daughter -J3 racer- how if he raises their heel and they flex forward, their butt will compensate by dropping back and outside of the invisible line above theri ankle. He then put a lift under their front toes and when they flexed forward, and their hip remained aligned with their ankle. A race coach noted that if you put the heel lift in, you create a gap at the back of the boot that needs to be filled between the shell and the liner. I have spoken with two boot fitters and one race coach and have three different approaches/ideas. I would like to break the "tie" and find the best method for offsetting women's natural back-seat tendency.
putting a lift under the heel, is usually a boot internal thing.
putting a lift under the toe is usually an external operation which changes the angle of the binding (delta is common term).
2 diff. things...
a heel lift internal does not change the forward lean angle of the boot - a lift under the toepiece does change resulting forward lean, but not directly affecting the boot, rathert by changing binding delta.
a heel lift changes the angle of the foot to the lower leg, within the boot - boot forward lean remains the same.
mntlion's comment is prolly where you should start...
boot may be too stiff OR may appear too stiff...
if the boot upper is NOT closed/wrapped properly around the lower leg, then when she comes against the front/tongue area the resistance is abrupt, causing her to 'fall' back.
as a consequence of not having good wrap around the upper, there is a gap then behind the leg; which then allows/contributes to her 'fall' to backseat against the back of the boot. Even a relatively small gap can cause a huge shift of the hips.
Does her boot have a 'power'booster' strap? A velcro strap above the top buckle area?
If so, get her properly buckled into the boot, then tug that strap tight, then go back and make sure the buckles are again/still snug.
We're not talkin 'cut-off-circulation' tight, but to where the buckles at least offer some amount of resistance.
Before you do all this, make sure the boot liners are properly pulled up and in place when she gets into the boots.
Make sure the boots are not rock hard from cold, when she gets into them - don;t transport in the cold trunk of a car, keep them with the passengers, same for overnight storage. Don;t keep them in a ski locker - those are always in cold areas - keep them with you in a warm room.
Many *EDIT* SKIERS - there fixed that... (and women) have a hard time getting the boots buckled properly, that's where your assistance and their feedback is important.
Heel and toe lifts may at some point be called for, but do the basics first.
And if the boots still seem too stiff, even in a warm-ish try-on area, then maybe consider demo-ing some softer flex boots.
Ask questions at the boot guys forum - they'll have more ideas and good direction.
Edited by moreoutdoor - 3/7/11 at 9:17am