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post #31 of 51
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Thanks a million skiracer. If my thumb and left shoulders are ok tomorrow at the doctors Ill go nextdoor and buy new skis smile.gif.

post #32 of 51

Bitchen...I know you'll like 'em, but give us a "course report" anyway!

 

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Thanks a million skiracer. If my thumb and left shoulders are ok tomorrow at the doctors Ill go nextdoor and buy new skis smile.gif.



 

post #33 of 51
Go for the dd
I have a pair in 165 race stock and, while I prefer 155 in gates, it is a great ski and does not feel heavy or slow to react. Interest ingly moving between there 5 positions noticeably changes the characteristics. It is very sensitive to that so you can tune to your preferences
As SR 55 said higher numbers are softer
post #34 of 51
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ScotsSkier, what age, length, weight and level do you ski at?

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ScotsSkier, what age, length, weight and level do you ski at?


sounds like you are asking for a date.....rolleyes.gif

 

56, 165#, 5'8"  Typically placing in top 5 in class with regular podiums

 

post #36 of 51
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Thanks for the info SS. Ive tried 155 skis in the past but I have never found any that were stiff enough.

post #37 of 51
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Today I was offered Fischer RC4 Worldcup SC Pro. Not the FIS approved SL version. Are these skis as "quick turning" as the Atomics? Anybody compared the Fischers against each other? Anybody skied on both the Fischers and the Atomics?

post #38 of 51

Don't go there.  Get the Atomics, like you planned.  I think Fischers have improved a lot, but I was using them for SL a few years back and they were total dog food...not quick at  all...

 

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Today I was offered Fischer RC4 Worldcup SC Pro. Not the FIS approved SL version. Are these skis as "quick turning" as the Atomics? Anybody compared the Fischers against each other? Anybody skied on both the Fischers and the Atomics?



 

post #39 of 51
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Thanks for the input. Im leaning towards the D2 without the doubledeck.

post #40 of 51
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Thanks for the info. Im opting for the 2011 model non D2 Atomic.

post #41 of 51

You'll be sorreee...go for the 2012 D2, and you'll thank me forever...

 

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Thanks for the info. Im opting for the 2011 model non D2 Atomic.



 

post #42 of 51

TDK6, you won't be able to tell the difference. A little too much edge hold is a good thing for us regulars ..... The moment the D2 is engaged/bend-driven/ into the turn it becomes stiff board/ DD acts like brace there... No wonder they /WC guys/ use for Gs;SG; DH..... Just my opinion..

 

 

post #43 of 51

All Fischer Race skis (race stock or not)  are way too stiff longitudinally.  I know there are a bunch of Masters guys who swear by the Progressor series (GS oriented) and they are probably more user friendly the the Fischer Race skis. I skied the Fischer Rc4 Pro Gs ski back to back with the Atomic Gs D2 ski and the Fischer was brick stiff and that was a non-FIS Masters ski and in a 175cm the Rep. told me not to even attem pt the 180 and I am 6'0 and 190 lbs. but the Head i.speed was almost as ridiculously  burly.

 

The D2 Gs had better edgehold then either and was much easier to inititate. torsioanlly as stiff but longitudianlly particulalry in the tip and underfoot much easier to ski.

 

I'm with Skiracer and Andy, Get the D2 with the control deck, you won't regret it!

 

TDK6 I also beleive the ski you are taking about is called the Race SL.

 

D2 stands for Doubledeck and i can't see why they would call the NON-doubledeck D2 since it lacks the control deck. hence no double deck!

 

Here is the Race catalogue!

 

http://www.skipros.eu/AtomicRace.pdf

 

I have read that the WC racers found the Race SL faster on a clean course in Slalom but if the course is rough or you are starting farther back the D2 was faster. Some commented that the D2 was too damp. (Maybe they have never skied on a Head ski)biggrin.gif

 

 


Edited by Atomicman - 3/9/11 at 2:51pm
post #44 of 51
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Ok guys. I bought the 2011 non D2 model. Sorry Skiracer55. But I can allways buy a 2012 model next year smile.gif.  Put an extra 3mm shims under the bindings and tuned the edges and gave it some low fluor wax. Off I whent to the evening club race. Took a couple of free runs and wow, what an edge hold. Much better than the mashine tuned demo ski. And quick and lively. On the race course however I had some problems and was left far down the ranks. But what can you expect from a brand new ski and super aggressive tune. But the ski performed very very well. I was able to hold my line much better. Only I was a bit slow to react and was caught holding on to the old edges way too long on both runs in the exact same place. On the quicker passages I had a problem with the shorter turn radius. It was hard to approximate apex after skiing with my old skis that were much straighter. Now I need some time on my new skis. Get to know them. How they turn and how much I should tip and when.

 

Here is some video of me skiing into the camera. Man in black.

 

post #45 of 51
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Atomicman. Here is the ski:

 

Atomic SL Race Men.jpg

In the green circle it says D2. Its the exact same skin as the true D2s. Thanks for the broshure. I made my purchase desision on some feedback from fellow racers. Maybe I did the wrong thing  but Im very happy with the ski as it is right now.

post #46 of 51

Must be some weird Austrian thing!ROTF.gif

 

Should be called 1D (One Deck) or BDO (Bottom Deck Only)th_dunno-1[1].gifyahoo.gif

 

Hey, I am sure you'll love the ski yoou bought. My favorite always seems to be the ski I am skiing on (At least until I jump on my other favorite skis in the quiver) which is the ski I am skiing on!

post #47 of 51

They are all MIB (Men in Black), so I have no feedback for you...and besides, style points don't count anyway.  Re the shims, Atomics have always been ramped heel high, so I only put 3 mil shims under the toes.  Somebody told me that the new X series is neutral ramp...who knew?  My first pair of this year's I automatically went with the 3 mil toe, and it felt fine.  My pair #2, they didn't have any of the 3 mil toes in stock, so I skied them without the shims...didn't like it.  Got the shims installed today, will use them for training on Friday, pick between the two pairs for the SL race at Loveland on Sunday. 

 

Atomics are supposed to come, all disciplines, with a 1/3 bevel out of the box.  The 3 I belive, the 1 I do not.  Guy at the shop I deal with confirmed that the bottoms are raily to start with...maybe 1/2 degee, maybe flat.  I use 1 degree base for everyrthing, so it took me a bunch of passes to get the base bevel where I wanted it.  You can do anything  you want.  I know my teammates on other brands like to go flat or 1/2 for SL.  All I can tell you is that Atomics behave really spooky unless you have 1 degree on the base; your mileage may vary. 

 

Also per what a bunch of us have said, experiment with moving the bindings foreward and backward to fine tune where you're standing on the skis...the right spot, for you, will make a huge difference. 

 

Okay, fine...buy the D2s later.  I'm a D2 devotee, which is why I'm getting a pair of this year's 210 D2 Super Gs (tomorrow, I hope), to use in next week's US National Masters DH Championships...watch this space for a course report...

 

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Ok guys. I bought the 2011 non D2 model. Sorry Skiracer55. But I can allways buy a 2012 model next year smile.gif.  Put an extra 3mm shims under the bindings and tuned the edges and gave it some low fluor wax. Off I whent to the evening club race. Took a couple of free runs and wow, what an edge hold. Much better than the mashine tuned demo ski. And quick and lively. On the race course however I had some problems and was left far down the ranks. But what can you expect from a brand new ski and super aggressive tune. But the ski performed very very well. I was able to hold my line much better. Only I was a bit slow to react and was caught holding on to the old edges way too long on both runs in the exact same place. On the quicker passages I had a problem with the shorter turn radius. It was hard to approximate apex after skiing with my old skis that were much straighter. Now I need some time on my new skis. Get to know them. How they turn and how much I should tip and when.

 

Here is some video of me skiing into the camera. Man in black.

 



 

post #48 of 51

I struggle with the no ramp setup, but my boots are set up  for bindings with 3 MM heel higher of ramp. Tyrolia's about the same At least the FF 16 and 17+ are.

 

Damn that's funny, I was thinking the same thing when I watched the video!.

 

As far as the tune goes The non-FS D2 GS came with exactly a 1/3 and they were tuned impeccably out of the wrapper. maybe the best factory tune I have ever skied! But that ceramic disc finish is hard to duplicate. Really nice & grippy!

 

Some Race Stock skis do come flat, but generally speaking all the Race Stock Atomic's we ever received were 1/3.

 

I am going to have to go ski some FIS D2 SL and see how the flex is. I'm still ona apir of Head i.sl Rd in a 166.

 

Hiope the Race SL (d1) works out for TDK6!

 

 

 

 

post #49 of 51
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The new bindings delta (ramp is inside the boot Bud corrected me long time ago) is almost flat. Only 1-1,5mm heel lift. Almost nothing. On my Blizzards I had 3mm. The flat delta had me struggling for not getting caught in the back seat at first.

 

Im passing the camera 5 times. There are others in the first clip, one skiing ahead of me and one skiing a tight stubby course. Sometimes Im alone on the hill so you can dial in me from there.

post #50 of 51

I agree with ScotsSkier. A 155 slalom ski is much easier to turn in course than the 165. Especially for the people who are of shorter stature and lighter.  The 165 is a more stable ski (and more fun) to use for free skiing though so don't get rid of them.  I find the 155 to be less stable when not on a course.  Good luck.

post #51 of 51


Different strokes for different folks.  I just competed in the US Masters Nationals at Copper Mt., and there were a ton of Atomics.  Most of the guys were using this year's 165 D2s in SL, but Pepi Neubauer, who is now Men's Class 9, if you can believe that, but is as fast as ever, was on 158 Atomic D2s...

 

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I agree with ScotsSkier. A 155 slalom ski is much easier to turn in course than the 165. Especially for the people who are of shorter stature and lighter.  The 165 is a more stable ski (and more fun) to use for free skiing though so don't get rid of them.  I find the 155 to be less stable when not on a course.  Good luck.



 

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