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Expert, heavier weight (200+), aggressive slopes = I bet the Bones lose some of what made them great for the lighter experts-- that combination of big mountain + playful on pow + fun on blacks. They must feel more noodly on harder crud, and float much more poorly in pow. I'm not sure why someone in this category doesn't either ski these at the longest length-- or, probably more sensibly, consider something like the Cochise/Bodacious. At heavier weights, the Bones must feel more like intermediate skis that are fine-- but never hit their true sweet spot.  


Not noodly at all for me at 6'3" 235 lbs. in fact I like them so much in every condition we've had at Squaw this season that I'm seriously debating selling my whole quiver. Yeah they don't really "float" in 2-3 feet of pow, but they power through it well enough and I never felt like I would endo. Still a magical ski for me after 30-40 days on them this season! I consider myself solid Advanced at this point and the ski is pretty much perfection for me.....
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Originally Posted by JB Smoovee View Post

Alexzn - my Mantras were 184, and hence probably too short, but still did not feel nearly as stiff as my gold goats, which are not considered a particularly stiff ski.  I don't remember them having good edge grip on ice, but the edges were pretty worn down when I finally sold it.

 

I agree the PR105 probably wouldn't be a great Chute ski, since space is very tight and those skis want to run.  However, I read a thread from last year (washoezephyr1) who seems to really like the 105 in the chutes.  Sounds like hop turns on those would be a lot of work to me!

 

Do you think the 187 Bonafide would be enough ski for 210+ lbs and generally more confined chute skiing?


You have my by at least 20 lb, so your experience may be different.  I ski 187 Bonafide every day and would gladly ski the 184 ProRider105 if I didn't have the Bonafide.  However the skis feel very different and I went with the Bones early this year.  ProRider is just rock solid and smooth, it is a ski that inspires absolute confidence.  Heck, the first two finishers of Verbier Extreme this year were on the ProRider 105.  But it is not particularly quick, which is fine if you give it a bit of time to turn.  (Hop turns should be fine on it too...)  The Bone feels lighter and much quicker (especially for a 187), but if you get it up to speed, it still has this "whoa...I'm hauling a$$" feeling.  As a chute ski I would have to give it to a Bonafide (probably because of the tail rocker).    Both will be very good on groomers, again in a different way, again ProRider will be damp, super-smooth but not quick.   The Bone will be quicker, livelier, but still solid.  Of course a real race carver ski will make both feel like a cruel joke, but that's the price of versatility on an all-mountain ski.   It should not be difficult to find a demo pair of either Bone or PR105 in Tahoe these days.  

 

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You have my by at least 20 lb, so your experience may be different.  I ski 187 Bonafide every day and would gladly ski the 184 ProRider105 if I didn't have the Bonafide.  However the skis feel very different and I went with the Bones early this year.  ProRider is just rock solid and smooth, it is a ski that inspires absolute confidence.  Heck, the first two finishers of Verbier Extreme this year were on the ProRider 105.  But it is not particularly quick, which is fine if you give it a bit of time to turn.  (Hop turns should be fine on it too...)  The Bone feels lighter and much quicker (especially for a 187), but if you get it up to speed, it still has this "whoa...I'm hauling a$$" feeling.  As a chute ski I would have to give it to a Bonafide (probably because of the tail rocker).    Both will be very good on groomers, again in a different way, again ProRider will be damp, super-smooth but not quick.   The Bone will be quicker, livelier, but still solid.  Of course a real race carver ski will make both feel like a cruel joke, but that's the price of versatility on an all-mountain ski.   It should not be difficult to find a demo pair of either Bone or PR105 in Tahoe these days.  

 

I wonder how the Inferno 104 compares to the Bone and Prorider 105, I did not really like (sold them) my DPS112RP except as a pure powder only ski, and where I ski I need more of an all mtn type, I love my MX88 and if I do go wider again want a ski that skis more like it with good edge hold and groomer perfromance. A "big rocker" is not for me, something very subtle is the most I would want.

 



 

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After a season on the Bones (40 plus days on this ski ), I have to say that I'm still impressed.  Yesterday might have been the last day this season as I'm focusing more on mountain biking now, but what a great day.  Hard conditions in the morning followed by spring corn/soft slush.  Wanted to ski more, but the lifts closed at 4:30 - bummer.  The Bones handled the icy hard pack that had been formed by rain earlier in the week and 6 below the night before quite well.  Not as good as a race ski, of course, but good enough to have fun.  As the conditions grew softer, the Bones were a lot of fun in the soft somewhat slushy bumps and steeper slopes.  Where they really shined yesterday was fast cruising in open bowls and runs with variable soft snow and corn.   Sliced through crud and piles of slush with little deflection.  Super stable at high speed, these skis continue to inspire confidence.  

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I have tested numerous 98 waisted skis for next season. I would say w/o reservation, the Bonafide is at the top of the class and it will perform fantastic in every aspect you mentioned above. 
 

 

 

How they compare to Atomic Vantage Alibi / Theory or Nordica Hell & Back?

 

Thx

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Hi all,

 

I am planning to pick up a pair of the Bonafides and cannot decide whether to go 173 or 180.  I'm 5'9" & 175 pounds.  Athletic aggressive skier that gets out about 20-30 days a year. I'll be skiing mostly in Europe, and enjoy hitting a bit of everything on mountain.  I also thought about taking a look at the Brahma.  Any suggestions to help me pinpoint my decision?  Thanks!

 

Kevin

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I'm 5' 11" / 170 pounds and the 180 bonafide was perfect for me.

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I'm 5'9" and 150.  I've probably got 50 days on my 180cm Bonafides.  I do sometimes think I should have gotten the 173, but it's happening less and less.  The reality is that, in any length, it's not a race ski and won't be as quick.  They need to be skied appropriately.  So, if I'm on the cusp, you're probably safe on the 180s.

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180

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Originally Posted by Gunnerbob View Post

180

Yup.
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Originally Posted by cayzi View Post

 

How they compare to Atomic Vantage Alibi / Theory or Nordica Hell & Back?

 

Thx

The Bonafide is stronger than the Atomics and with the early rise in the tip and tail makes it a bit more versatile off piste than the Helen Bach. 

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Over 200lbs I use to race and had a chance to take out the 180cm which I liked, I have plenty of skis too choose from as I ski a 165cm Rossignol SL for cutting up hard packed and Ice in the good old Midwest. I use to work out at Copper and get out west a couple of times a year and up to MI to Bohemia, the Tree skiing there is nice and tight and I found longer skis in this condition was a bit problematic at times! LOL check out video.  My question is should I go for the 187cms and just be done with it? I am skiing a Rossignol EX88 which I love as decent all mountain but I took a few runs on the Blizzards and liked them equally for different reasons.


Thanks, 

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PO1c0LAgTPw

 

I guess I reelected a very old thread! LOL :eek


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