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Eastern One Ski Quiver, 5'10, 135-140

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With the end of season sales coming up I've started to look for new skis. I'm currently on a pair of 165 2006 dynastar exclusive legends fashion (the orange rust colored ones with the golden plate half way to the tip) with a pair of look pivot 10 bindings, cant find much info on it and the search function for skis that old is rather lacking (shows up all the years since then and takes forever to filter. I got the impression they are an expert womens ski that is about 50/50 on off. Got them used and they were suggested to me because of my weight. I'm very skinny at 135 5-10, I'm 21 and my weight hasnt flucuated more than 5 pounds since junior year of high school. 

 

My home mountain is Cannon in NH, I ski about 40% time on groomed trails, and about 60% off trail. When the trees are open I stay in them until my legs need a rest then head to the groomers for some easier runs. I also spend a lot of time over the sadle on mittersill the lift serviced 'back country'. When skiing on groomers I tend to stick to the fall lines and take many short radius turns. Very seldom will I take big arcing turns, I'm actually pretty horrible at them. I do some bumps, working on them this year, but am not very good at them still. Over all I would say i'm about a 7.5/8 skier, I am more than comfortable on any of the marked trails on cannon with the exception of tramline, and only that because I haven't had an occasion to ski it.

 

Because of my low weight I figure I'm going to need a more flexible ski, I was originally looking at the kendo but when I saw all the reviews calling it stiff I realized I would most likely not be able to flex it. I've been trying to do my own research, and learn more about ski gear in general, but other opinions always help. I am particually clueless on what length to look at, any chart says one for my height another for my weight.

 

Here is what I've found:

 

 

Vokl bridge 171 (wider than the rest but heard very good things)
 
Unfortunetly money is tight and I wont be able to demo all of them, at most 2 probably. So would like to figure out which I should hunt down to try. I leary of getting a ski with to much under foot as, this wonderful winter aside, I do not ski many true powder days and want a ski for the hardpack and ice I encounter a lot. Some of the park skis out there seem like they have dimensions to suit what i'm looking for but I'm not sure the construction would be ideal.
 
The Watea is my top pick right now, the only thing I'm not liking is some people saying that it lacks edge grip which could be a problem. Does any one have any suggestions of things I may have over looked or experience in skiing any of these at anything close to my weight/height. I didn't see anything in blizzards lineup that fit the bill, atomics and k2 I haven't finished looking at yet, and I cant afford stoklii or kastle.

 

post #2 of 19
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any help guys?

post #3 of 19

Watea, then probably punisher.  I don't usually like Scott but I skied it today and enjoyed it.

post #4 of 19

Not easy, combining hard snow chops with trees in a flexier package. Know Cannon well. At your weight, an 80-something will have plenty of float for trees, so no need to get into the 90's and sacrifice hard snow performance. Watea will work, although not the greatest on rough ice, gets thrown around. Firearrow might be the best call, has gotten strong reviews, the metal in it will help on the windswept scratch, and the twin will help in the bumps or trees. Not familiar with the Punisher, have seen folks out west on the Slingshot, but not back here, the Rossi won't have the edge grip you want, the Bridge will be too wide for the hardpack groomer times. Others you might look for: Nordica Dead Money, light parkish twin that apparently has great grip, should work in the trees too; Volkl Wall, narrower Bridge with a bit less stiffness. 

post #5 of 19

At your weight, you might wait for the softer Fire Arrow 80 next season, budget allowing.  I'm near 200, and even then, find the Fire Arrow to be slightly stiffer than idea for my purposes (generally softer, western snow).  Maybe that explains why it will be called the Pro next season.

 

Otherwise, the women's specific version of the Watea (Motive 84?) might be a good call, also.  I've seen some blowout prices on them.

 

Width-wise, I totally agree with Beyond, above.  Low to mid-80s should be the sweet spot.  Regardless of how well wider skis can now hold on the hard pack, I've found that excessive width just subtracts playfullness and zippiness on the hardpack.

 

FWIW, I despise the graphics on the FA's, but luckily do not see them while skiing!

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I'm very skinny at 135 5-10, I'm 21 and my weight hasnt flucuated more than 5 pounds since junior year of high school.

 

My home mountain is Cannon in NH, I ski about 40% time on groomed trails, and about 60% off trail. When the trees are open I stay in them until my legs need a rest then head to the groomers for some easier runs. I also spend a lot of time over the sadle on mittersill the lift serviced 'back country'. When skiing on groomers I tend to stick to the fall lines and take many short radius turns.


I bet if you tried a pair of sally Lords (prob the 168, I guess), you would fall in love in about 3 seconds.  They're perfect for doing exactly what you're talking about here.  

 

The rest of your list has plenty of great skis though, so you ought to be fine.  Definitely demo the Bridges and the Wateas.  The Bridges are fun- supposedly a park ski but still does fine everywhere else.  I wish they turned a little faster on groomers but they're still pretty great.  I liked the Wateas too, but didn't love them.  There's too much chatter at high speed and they don't grip hardpack as well as an east coast skier's skis really ought to.  I would definitely go looong on size with them- they ski really short.  The Lords on the other hand are really stable at high speeds, are decent at gripping hard snow, pop from turn to turn on groomers or in the trees, are pretty damn good in the bumps, and have enough rocker to float on the rare occasions you need them to. 

 

I'm 6'0", 190, so the Rossi S86s feel like I'm skiing on two damp noodles, though they will probably be perfect for you.  I have a couple friends who swear by them.  

 

 

 

post #7 of 19

Not to be the typical ski the ski I ski type of suggestion, but I'm only 15 lbs heavier than you, same height, 70% EC, and for the same use I bought and am happy with the 172 Sultan 85s.  Fairly amazing "ice" perfomance for the width and good enough on just about everything else. 

post #8 of 19
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Thanks for all the help guys, got a suprise influx of cash this week so I should get a chance to demo atleast one or two of them over my spring break. Doesnt look like I will be able to get into the trees much with the rain and thaw going on, but maybe a snow storm will hit next week. Or I could drive up to jay.

post #9 of 19
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Bumping this to ask a question:

 

Just found a great deal on a pair of Line Prophet Flights, reading the reviews on them they seem to be exactly what I'm looking for. Just want some conformation before I go and spend the money. Wish I could demo them first but most of the mnts around me are closed and I'm working 6 days a week now that spring has come around. With a birthday coming up I can also defer some of the cost if I purchase now.

 

EDIT: Profit 90 are 50 dollars more but also availble at a very good price, if some on thinks those would work. Line was never originally on my list of skis to look at but some friends of mine rave about them.


Edited by Bielz - 4/20/11 at 7:30pm
post #10 of 19
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Originally Posted by Bielz View Post

Bumping this to ask a question:

 

Just found a great deal on a pair of Line Prophet Flights, reading the reviews on them they seem to be exactly what I'm looking for. Just want some conformation before I go and spend the money. Wish I could demo them first but most of the mnts around me are closed and I'm working 6 days a week now that spring has come around. With a birthday coming up I can also defer some of the cost if I purchase now.


Me: 135lb, 5' 7", level 8. East coaster, like you, love the trees, but in my case also hard groomers (for which I have a 2nd pair of skis). The Excusive Legends you're on now were/are, I think, the women's version of the blue Legend 4800s, which I have a lot of time on. If you like those (as I did), and just want to modernize, I second goldsbar's recommendation on the Sultan 85. They have a similar damp-but-fluid Dynastar feel, but much better on hard snow than the older Legends ... torsionally they feel a lot stiffer. (The Sultan 80 actually feels more like your existing ski, but much turnier. I liked the calm feel of the 85 better.) And on soft snow the extra width makes a big difference. Just a better ski all around. For this ski, I am on the cusp between a 165 and a 172. I skied both and liked both. I went with the 165 because it's easier in the bumps and trees, which the terrain I aim for when conditions warrant. If I were a westerner, or if I had a 1-ski quiver, I would have gone with the 172, because it's noticeably more stable and arc-able at speed. The Rossi 86 is similar but just didn't sing for me. I haven't been on the the Prophet Flites personally, but I believe they are going to have a lighter, more flickable feel, with the possible downside of not being the most solid in a real carve on hardpack. Not sure if you're a woman (or if it matters), but women I know who are really solid skiers wanting a lighter-weight option seem to prefer the Koa (women's Watea, recommended by others, above) over the Prophets. I know a lot of people on this board like the Prophets, though. I suspect it's a regional thing related to terrain and snow type. Good luck.

 

post #11 of 19

Just throwing this out at you, I have a pair of mint condition FischerAddicts that are a real solid east coast twintip(very similar to Volkl Wall) for sale mounted up with Look nx12 for sale and ready to go. Pics will be ready first thing in the morning if you have any interest. Skied maybe 8-10 days.PM me if you have any interest. 

post #12 of 19

Just for reference, the orange Exclusive Legends were/are a nice ski. They were, surprisingly, actually beefier than the men's version with 2 sheets of metal.  They skied more akin to the Legend 8000 (a little wider) than the 4800 (a lot softer). They were a nice combination of torsional  stiffness for good edge hold and soft enough to do ok in bumps (and I am only 110-115 lbs). They  get a lot of chatter at speeds on hard pack.  They were the everyday, teaching ski for Diann Roffe, Olympic gold and silver medalist, a few years ago who turned me onto them. They are 75 underfoot. I still have a pair that I use as my spring ski. Having been on the same ski, I have been looking at replacing it with the Nordica Conquer and looking for a good deal on them. I liked the Dynastar Exclusive Legend, so I also planned to test the current models of their line. I don't use this as a main ski but just for new eastern snow and for spring. If you liked the Legends, I'd be a bit cautious about going to too soft a ski. At a lighter weight, I found the Exclusive Legends in the same length about as soft as I like.

post #13 of 19

I got the flites at the end of the year skied three days three different conditions and they are awesome in all conditions in the East Light playfull fast edge to edge and very good at carving. I had no high speed issues that others mentioned in some reviews. I had skis with metal  in them last season lost about 25 lbs this year and they seemed too bulky so I went with the flites instead of the prophets. I am 175pounds now rippin with the flites.

post #14 of 19

I'm a little heavier than you (150lbs) and have owned a pair of Legend 8000s for several years so I think I have a pretty good idea of how your Exclusives ski..  They are my fresh snow/western vacation ski.  They are a great ski, but certainly lack the hard snow grip that would let me recommend them as a daily driver for an eastern skier.  My other ski is the Fischer Progressor 8+ which I find to be great for all but powder days.  I would look for a ski with good hard snow grip but enough width to work when the snow flies.  

post #15 of 19

If you're looking for a solid ski at an awesome price check out Dave's Fischers, different than the P90's but still a really fun and quick ski

post #16 of 19

Bielz,check the Fischers out if you would like,they are posted on another thread, I put pictures up this morning.

post #17 of 19
Thread Starter 

I'll check them out thanks, and thanks for the tips from every one else.

post #18 of 19

If you like the Kendo, but are concerned about the stiffness, you might want to demo Kenja, which is the women's version of the Kendo.  For me Kendo is about as close to a one ski quiver as it gets, but I've got about 50 lbs on you.

 

post #19 of 19

The flites are said to be a nice ski, as qcanoe says light and probably great in the trees. Though at Cannon, I worry about their grip; you see serious wind scoured hardpack and ice there. I like the Kenja idea for a mix of grip and off-trail chops.

 

BUT: If you can wait until early next fall, the Blizzard Bushwacker would be the definitive ski for you, IMO. Excellent grip for an 88 mm, busts crud decently, superb in trees and tight places, the lightest ski of that width I've heard of, and will be priced weirdly cheap ($599). A lot of good reviews on Gear Reviews. I'm a lighter male (165), liked the 180, others my size say the 173 is as good or better, so the 166 would be the size for you and you might find a small discount on that length. 

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