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post #31 of 44
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No stock on rx or lx at start haus or dawg

post #32 of 44

Get on the 170 Titans if you can. Similar demensions with slightly more float at 128/78/114.

They will be like your old 78's with a turbo attached and stickier rubber which is just what you wanted over the monsters.

post #33 of 44
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I know it is only 7cm, but wouldnt the 170s be a bit short for me?  I was thinking 177s

 

But alais, I cant find 177s anywhere.  Maybe I will have to wait to fall for the 2012s and shell out the big$

post #34 of 44

 

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Me: 38 male 5'10" 185 expert , northeast, mainly, Snow and Killington. Stay mainly on the steep frontsides with some time spent in the bumps and if im lucky some pow here and there.

 

I have the 09 Head 78 Monsters 124-78-110.  I have loved these skis, great for everything I ski. The only problem is they lose stability at very fast speeds and I am looking for a new pair that could match this skis versatilty but with a bit more stability.  

 

I would like to stay in the 175-180 cm range...  AC 50s?  AC 30s?  Something else?

 

 

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The only time they get unstable is on the steep groomers when I'm finishing the trail out and straight line tuck at high speed the skis tend to yaw. Kind of like they want to come out from under me. Besides that they have been great.

Karl


Karl,

 

Mind if I ask a few Q's ?

 

a. You say they're 'beat', how many days do you have on them?

 

b. where are you mounted on them?

have you checked where your Ball of Foot is relative to center of running surface?

I've looked a bunch of turned-up tail skis, and many seem to have their midsole mark forward (for my boot size -sole 323mm) from where BOF might be relative to center of running surface (CRS).

forward would make for more pleasing ride in bumps but definitely give away some in stability, punchin thru crud, and edge hold.

 

c. how long since the last tune?

 

d. what have you demo'd?

I luv just jumpin on an unknown ski and figurin it out... don;t mind payin for it, since I never pay much... cheap experiments.

not sayin you should buy some blackbox cheapie.

or not spend the big bux...

 

but I wouldn;t give up on something you really like, so easily.

 

if you find the current mount point is a cm or more forward of BOF on CRS, a remount will likely give you more stability without any big penalty in turning.

another set of holes is really no biggie.

 

...maybe don;t get hungup on 78...

I've been blown away by how quick many of the low-mid-hi 80's waists can go from edge to edge, with equal edge hold (actually same can be said for some of the 90's I recently tried... yeah I know Ice Coasters luv em thin... that'll change also)

lotta fun to be had demo-ing

 

...just sayin...

 

 


 

post #35 of 44
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Originally Posted by Karl773 View Post

I know it is only 7cm, but wouldnt the 170s be a bit short for me?  I was thinking 177s

 

But alais, I cant find 177s anywhere.  Maybe I will have to wait to fall for the 2012s and shell out the big$



Most people on these skis go for a size shorter than usual and you aren't heavy so depends on what turn shapes you like. 177 will be even more GS like for sure but less easier to get the short pop that these skis are so good at.

As moreoutdoor said 80+'s are very popular now too though. I demoed five 80+ skis a couple of weeks ago but couldn't get the type of performance out of them I liked that I could from the Titans so really a demo is good to try just to see if that's you. In hindsight I would have been disappointed if I had bought one and then tried the Titan's and nothing in the 80's at the moment (2012 Rossi experiance 83 does now,14m @168) has a short radius like the Titan has either which is why I like this ski so much. It pretty much seemed that the 80+ skis are caught in the middle of being dedicated carvers and trying to float in new snow without being awesome at either but still giving you access to more of the mountain than one at either end of the spectrum. They seemed also quite lazy to ski in that you didn't have to be on them all the time and pivoting rather than edging works too (could just be the +15m radius's?) so obviously suit a lot of people hence the popularity. Just for me less zing on the frontside when edging and less feeling back to me overall. Eg Head Peak 82's were very disappointing, felt dead in comparison to the Titans when edging and even in deeper snow not much differance overall.

Still depends too on if you get lots of new snow as they are easier over a whole day then but only really when it's over your calves would you notice the differance over something like the Titans anyway IMO. That's what I found at Whistler, 4ft in 4 days of snow so was really interesting to experiance it on the different types of skis when my friend was demoing. He bought the Rossi's in the finish as he liked the extra width, riser tip and upturned tail so easy to use without having to edge all the time so horses for courses.

 


Edited by snala - 3/11/11 at 11:40am
post #36 of 44
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They have about 60 days on them, the top edges are cracked in multiple places so bad that you will cut your hand if your barehanded.  I want to just use these for early and late season when conditions are iffy at best.

 

As far as mounting, Ill claim stupidity and just say they are mounted at "traditional" I really dont know.

 

Tuned last week , usually waxed after 2 days and edges after 4-5 days

 

Cant say I have did much demoing, besides a Volkl RTM, which seemed nice but a bit dull in a way.  Just have not had much opportunity to demo much.

 

I am not firm on 78s id try something in mid 80s, I actually just dont want to go less than 78s

 

I only ski the east, so we know powder is not big even though I got to play around in the pow much more this year, still only about 4 or 5 days , but I enjoyed it while it lasted.

 

I know it is tough to find that one east coast ski to do it all.  But Im trying to find it, and where it lacks,  I'll just have to try and make up for it....ski.gif

post #37 of 44

karl,

 

My questions were just curiosity, didn;t mean anything by them...

 

but mount point does have a great affect on how any ski performs. Sometimes the mark doesn;t put a skier where they get what they want from the ski.

There really is no 'correct' mount point. There's always variability which changes how the ski reacts under any particular skier.

My comment about BOF on CRS was just another way to get to a 'start' point on deciding where to mount bindings. It's also not 'correct', just another option/way to look at mounting.

And it can't even be used with the newer skis which have rocker or early rise. The whole running surface concept becomes a gray zone on these new designs.

As I started buying new skis, these recent years, I went with a binding system which allows great variability via a track/rail system. It's a great way to fine tune the binding location without the need to remount. It's not any heavier than a std fixed mount system and seems to be sturdy enough for my needs.

as for width, beside the float factor, I was pleasantly surprised how smooth many of these wider skis do ski, even at what I consider very short lengths. It seems the ski engineers have really gotten a good handle on combining materials with design to come up with these great skis. The common assumption is that a narrow waisted ski provides the best edge hold; but subjectively, I'm not sure that holds true.

 

keep us posted on your progress. I'm always interested to read about someone's process and how they get to an an outcome.

post #38 of 44

Try the head 82s for more speed than the 78s.  I like the 78s but I do not ski steeps that much anymore but I do like to go fast in big turns and the 78s are good at that.  At fast speeds on steeps, balance is harder to maintain all the time.  When I demoed the 82s, speed was great but I ski midwest alot and front side harder blues and easier blacks out west now that I am 150 years old.  But the 82 were very fast and stable....I just dont want to work that hard anymore...

I think you have to demo skis but it is so hardt to find a good demo place anymore.  I like to try alot of skis at once and most places just have like one pair a day or two and you have to hike em back into the shop at base.

Does Alpine Medows still have that great Demo shop?

post #39 of 44
Thread Starter 

I know a lot of people are talking about how great mid and lower 80 skis are and sounds like it may be the future.

 

And I.... Seem to be stumped by all the choices these days and over analyzing everythingyahoo.gif

 

Karl

post #40 of 44

I ski in Killington as well.  I'm on Lord 177s & griffons, which I think are nearly perfect for Killington- a couple of guys at my house are on them now too (as well as a bunch of the guys at Basin).  People seem to shit talk the Lords a lot though, maybe because (gasp) intermediates can have fun on it too. 

 

So I would check out the Icelantic Pilgrim 179, which I demoed last year and loved.  Snappy as hell, great in the bumps & trees, decent on ice.  I didn't get to try them in fresh snow, but they plowed through chopped up stuff very well.  Other than that, you could demo the Kendo or the ARV

 

 

 

 

 

 

post #41 of 44
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Ok folks,  First off ....Many thanks for input....

 

After a long search I finally went with the Volkl Kendos..  Did my research & found this to be probably the one for me & I wanted to try something in the mid 80mm range. 

 

I spoke to Phil at Starthaus and was lucky enough to get a great deal w/ bindings ( Cheers Philbeercheer.gif)  Thanks for the help. ....

 

Karl

post #42 of 44

Skis will be shipped today! THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

post #43 of 44
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Originally Posted by Karl773 View Post

Ok folks,  First off ....Many thanks for input....

 

After a long search I finally went with the Volkl Kendos..  Did my research & found this to be probably the one for me & I wanted to try something in the mid 80mm range. 

 

I spoke to Phil at Starthaus and was lucky enough to get a great deal w/ bindings ( Cheers Philbeercheer.gif)  Thanks for the help. ....

 

Karl


Let us know how they compare to what you had from your point of view. 10mm should feel a bit different.
 

 

post #44 of 44
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Will do, but it may have to wait,, Im heading up in to days & I dont think they will get here in time for me to try out... and after taking time off work every week for the last 3 months for skiing.. April is looming and getting to busy at work.  So I may have to revive this post later

 

cheers

 

Karl

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