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URGENT Question About Buying Used Ski

post #1 of 12
Thread Starter 

Hey everyone, thanks for taking a look.

I need some new primary skis. My buddy just offered to sell me his used 2007 Rossi B2 freeride skis. They're 174cm. He's going to keep the bindings because they're too small. I haven't seen the skis yet, but we can assume they're in decent condition. What are the things I should be concerned about, i.e. holes from the old bindings, etc?

 

I have to buy them today as he's leaving town!!!

 

Here are my measurements just for kicks:

178cm

160lbs

50 piste/50 off-piste

DIN ~6-7

325mm boot

 

So, do you think I should buy them? What do you think would be a good price? Do the math on your own and then compare it below:

The price I was offered is...

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$75 or $115 including Black Diamond skins.

post #2 of 12

Some people say that a ski can be drilled only three times, but the real issue is the hole patterns of the previous bindings and the new bindings - if they line up perfectly, no problem. If they don't line up at all, no problem.  But if they're close but not quite exact it can be difficult to find a spot for a clean hole.  And of course, the more times they've been drilled, the harder it becomes to find a clean spot.

 

So, if they've only been drilled once for his bindings, it shouldn't be a problem at all.  If they've been drilled a bunch of times you may have to chose your binding based on it's hole pattern (i.e. find one with an exact match or one where the tech can get clean holes).

 

I've never skied the B2, so I can't comment.  Some people like them.  I always urge people to demo before purchasing and you're buying blind here.  That said, the price looks right, and if you don't like them you can probably sell them for what you paid for them.

post #3 of 12

What Walt is accurate.

 

First of all, you need to see them and determine what condition they are in both on topsheet and bases, how many days skied and when was the last time they were tuned. Take a very straight ruler to place on the bottom and determine if you can see light between the ruler and the base of the ski - this will let you determine if the bases are concave which will require a base grind. A tune is another $50.

 

It's going to cost at least $200 for downhill bindings and mount, so, you are approaching $300 total w/o skins. If you intend to use skins, value  is better, but, that may change binding requirements.

 

You did not provide any info on how you ski and what you want from a set of skis, so how can anyone comment on the suitability of the Rossi's for you skiing needs. Not knocking the B2's but would consider them as an average ski from a major company.

 

It's not the deal of a lifetime, especially if the skis don't meet your needs, require much tuning or beat up.

post #4 of 12

Personally, I'd be hesitant to buy a ski I've never tried out.  But, look on eBay for what similar skis are selling for.  If the price is comparable, you're not really risking anything.  Buy them, and if you don't like them, you've already seen what you can expect to get for them on eBay.  I doubt the difference would be more than a day's rental fee, right?  Of course, your extra investment of adding bindings kind of messes up the math, but you see my point.

post #5 of 12

I agree with the above advice. The B2 was a popular design for many years but even in 2007 it was considered more of an all mountain ski rather than a Freeride ski. They made two popular models that year that were wider-more powder oriented. I've bought used skis in the past and have decided that a used ski without a binding is worth about $0.00 because of the costs noted above. I'd only buy used without bindings if it were only slightly used, a model that is exactly what I want and probably still in production. Otherwise the costs of adding bindings etc. eat up all the savings.

post #6 of 12

The OP said the seller is keeping the bindings becase they are "too small". What does that mean?

 

If there are skins involved that means expensive Alpine Touring bindings were probably the original bindings that the seller is keeping. This also increases the odds that the mounting holes needed for Downhill bindings will be ok. If the seller is keeping the bindings but not the skins then that says somthing else again.

 

You might be better off finding used demo skis with bindings.

post #7 of 12

 

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Originally Posted by DanoT View Post

The OP said the seller is keeping the bindings becase they are "too small". What does that mean?

 

If there are skins involved that means expensive Alpine Touring bindings were probably the original bindings that the seller is keeping. This also increases the odds that the mounting holes needed for Downhill bindings will be ok. If the seller is keeping the bindings but not the skins then that says somthing else again.

 

You might be better off finding used demo skis with bindings.


The bindings were probably fritschi bindings would be my guess, as they come in sizes based on your BSL.  So do dukes/barons, but iirc '08 was the first year for them, so I'm guessing the OP's friend had fritschi's on there and kept 'em.  I agree that the holes likely won't be in conflict if the OP is going to mount alpine bindings on there.

 

As for whether they're worth the $75 that was offered to him?  Eh.  Partially depends on what you're going to mount on them.  If you need to drop $150 to $200 on brand new bindings because you don't have any, and then $30 to $40 to get them mounted, then no, they're not worth it.  Like DanoT said, you'd be better off finding a demo setup, probably.  If you have some old bindings that you're going to throw on them, and you'd just be out the mounting costs, then maybe.  We don't know much about what you're skiing on now, where you ski, how you like to ski (other than the 50/50 comment).  Based on your stats and stated DIN setting, you're a type 2/3 skier, so an intermediate to advanced intermediate I'm assuming.  The B2 could be a good fit for you, or not.  The point is, they're not worth $75 if you don't like skiing on them.  If you want them anyway, offer him $50.

post #8 of 12

If you are buying skis anyways, as you say "need some new primary skis," then really, you are buying bindings for skis one way or the other.

 

Worst case, you buy the skis, buy the bindings, pay the $15 to mount, then find out you don't like the skis, yank the bindings, and sell the skis.

 

The skis will be worth less when they are drilled one more time, but I'd bet you can still get $30-$50 for them, and possibly what you originally paid. Its amazing what I see people paying for flat skis- I doubt you'd be out much selling them on ebay or craigslist.

 

So, I really don't think its much of a risk to grab them and mount them, ASSUMING you are really going to be buying skis.

 

For what you describe as your skiing ability, the Salomon 12ti binding sounds like a good choice- it is around $150, and while not a bomber binding, it is light and should have plenty of burl for what you are describing as your DIN setting.

post #9 of 12

If the skins are in good condition and you'll use them then I would say $115 is good really good if the skins are lightly used. What type of binder does he/did he have on?

post #10 of 12
Quote:
Originally Posted by Que View Post

If the skins are in good condition and you'll use them then I would say $115 is good really good if the skins are lightly used. What type of binder does he/did he have on?


Only if he has any interest in skinning with the skis.  If not, gotta evaluate the skis on their own merits.

post #11 of 12
Thread Starter 

Thanks a lot everyone. Incredibly helpful. Jaobrien6, nice guess haha, they are fritschis. Y'all are pretty much spot on with the other comments as well. I have been thinking of getting B2s for a while after riding some last year to augment my first skis (170) which are getting to be in pretty bad condition and keep me away from the deep pow. Decided not to get them because of the hassle it would be; I would have if it was a definite steal. Still in the market for a new setup though so would love any other recommendations. 

post #12 of 12

Just FYI this time of year Look px12 or rossi/dynastar versions can be had for about ~$120. Also, Rossi has some not so popular models (compared to the S7) that are in abundance at ski shops that have replaced the B2 like the Phantom series. Check them out- good end of season deals to be had.

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