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post #91 of 155
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Originally Posted by SugarCube View Post

You may just have to stop posting in the instructional forums...no one listens anyway...



I'm sorry, what?

post #92 of 155

When I ski moguls I think about tits.

post #93 of 155
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Originally Posted by Uncle Louie View Post





Cube.....you on here ?  I think we need to move to a skiing state before I post in any of the instructional threads again.



 



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Originally Posted by tetonpwdrjunkie View Post

After skiing around with you today, I am ready to listen to anything you have to say.  You skied strong in mixed conditions on a ski that wasn't optimal.  I had a real blast and I'm glad we hooked up.
 



 



Lemme guess Blizzard Magnum 8.7's?



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Originally Posted by SkiMangoJazz View Post





I'm sorry, what?


Was someone talkin' to you? snowfight.gif

 

post #94 of 155
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Originally Posted by davluri View Post

respectfully disagree, as it's a matter of degree and proportion. and you are not accurate if you are comparing actual numbers of posts that are rude and abusive by people of different generations.

 

the posts I refer to have no content whatsoever with respect to the information discussed, and are just personal insults. the term "spat of posts" does not infer a blanket condemnation of young  people, as the phrase "for a while" means the problem has not always been nor always will be an issue, either.

 

last thing that is productive would be to re-fire the generation squabble. like I said: "it's been toned down recently, which is nice"



It's not about whether the numbers of posts are equal; it's about whether one provokes or propogates the other. At some point you have to recognize that how you say things affects the way others respond to you, regardless of what you are saying.

 

If you are aggressive or dismissive of someone, it makes them more likely to respond aggressively, even if there is only a minor disagreement (in this case, the tone of the statement makes a bigger impact than the meaning). If you then respond aggressively or dismissively to this response, it will only escalate things further. Even if there is nothing rude or disrespectful in the meaning of the statements, the tone itself can be rude or disrespectful; hence, the aggressive response.

 

After all, you never see a conversation that goes

A. I liked the Watea 84. It's a fun ski.

B. You are a lying, ignorant b*st*rd.

 

Instead, it's usually something like

A. Some sort of aggressively written statement about the best skis for particular conditions, often with a self-righteous tone.

B. Aggressive disagreement.

A. Aggressive/dismissive statement that implies anyone who uses anything else has no clue what they are talking about.

B. So on.

A. So forth.

 

Even if Person B is the one who eventually hurls the insults, Person A more than played his part in the escalation, even if only in the tone of the statements.

 

This is what I think we were seeing more of in the past, this aggressive or dismissive back-and-forth.

post #95 of 155
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Originally Posted by CerebralVortex View Post

Instead, it's usually something like

A. Some sort of aggressively written statement about the best skis for particular conditions, often with a self-righteous tone.

B. Aggressive disagreement.

A. Aggressive/dismissive statement that implies anyone who uses anything else has no clue what they are talking about.

B. So on.

A. So forth.

 

Even if Person B is the one who eventually hurls the insults, Person A more than played his part in the escalation, even if only in the tone of the statements.

 

This is what I think we were seeing more of in the past, this aggressive or dismissive back-and-forth.


Being patronizing and condescending often has a far greater effect than outright dislike. No one likes to be treated like they are ignorant and useless; in other words if you upset the balance of equality in someone's mind you are going to have a far greater impact.

 

From my own observations patronizing invokes outright insults and the problem is there. Since many people are not quite as humble as they need be, and others are self-proclaimed skiing legends, this problem is thus perpetuated.


There is truth is many of these posts but nearly all of them are from each persons unique perspective. Oh sure its cliche, and you probably tired of hearing it post-kindergarden, but often considering the impact a comment can have on someone else can let you understand their POV. Often I read conversations like I am both persons and this can give me unique insight in to whether or not I'm being a complete asshole or I'm simply promoting discussion.

 

Good points by everyone.

 

post #96 of 155
Thread Starter 

CV and IKa have nailed it, and intelligently. good work. truth. (I have to guess you guys are professionals.)

post #97 of 155
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Originally Posted by iKabrex View Post




Being patronizing and condescending often has a far greater effect than outright dislike. No one likes to be treated like they are ignorant and useless; in other words if you upset the balance of equality in someone's mind you are going to have a far greater impact.

 

From my own observations patronizing invokes outright insults and the problem is there. Since many people are not quite as humble as they need be, and others are self-proclaimed skiing legends, this problem is thus perpetuated.


There is truth is many of these posts but nearly all of them are from each persons unique perspective. Oh sure its cliche, and you probably tired of hearing it post-kindergarden, but often considering the impact a comment can have on someone else can let you understand their POV. Often I read conversations like I am both persons and this can give me unique insight in to whether or not I'm being a complete asshole or I'm simply promoting discussion.

 

Good points by everyone.

 


This was very insightful, and summarized some of the problems I have seen on the site, but mostly in the instruction and coaching forum.   Thanks.

 

post #98 of 155

It is possible to be from a  vertically starved state and still have a clue regarding skiing. I'm not going to put myself in that category and would agree that skiers in New England and the West certainly would be more likely to be better skiers.. However, I've seen too many good skiers that I believe can "walk the talk" and validate their skills in most situations on lift serviced ski terrain that regulary ski on modest vertical. These skiers would be the exception and not the norm but they do exist and for all I know post on the forum.

 

I think its all about having the correct engrained movement patterns and these skills can be developed skiing on modest terrain. The exceptional skier is able to execute these skills when the skiing "ramps up" and the skiing becomes more difficult. All that being said, I undertand the skiing pyramid and why bigger mountain skiers would be considered better.

 

In golf, KJ Choi developed his swing at a military driving range that didn't even have grass tees. Kind of like skiing an icy 250 ft. vertical bump .

post #99 of 155


 

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Originally Posted by roundturns View Post

It is possible to be from a  vertically starved state and still have a clue regarding skiing. I'm not going to put myself in that category and would agree that skiers in New England and the West certainly would be more likely to be better skiers.. However, I've seen too many good skiers that I believe can "walk the talk" and validate their skills in most situations on lift serviced ski terrain that regulary ski on modest vertical. These skiers would be the exception and not the norm but they do exist and for all I know post on the forum.

 

I think its all about having the correct engrained movement patterns and these skills can be developed skiing on modest terrain. The exceptional skier is able to execute these skills when the skiing "ramps up" and the skiing becomes more difficult. All that being said, I undertand the skiing pyramid and why bigger mountain skiers would be considered better.

 

In golf, KJ Choi developed his swing at a military driving range that didn't even have grass tees. Kind of like skiing an icy 250 ft. vertical bump .

 

The icy bumps in PA are a bit bigger than 250' if I remember correctly. I love meeting up with skiers from DCski here in UT. Funny enough, I ski the cottonwoods much less frequently than many skiers from back east who post here regualrly and actually have learned alot of lines at Snowbasin and the cottonwoods by skiing with "tourists" from back on the east coast.

 

post #100 of 155

Yeah, I think people get mad when people--operating from subconscious extreme egocentricity--make direct assertions about somebody else's post such as:  "No," "You are wrong," "you suck" "those skis suck" "you can't ski" "that didn't happen," etc.

 

I think most people are mature enough to know that within a community people will disagree on different matters, and there will be variability.  However, on an internet forum especially, there is an utmost importance in communicating in friendly and civil ways.  There are ways to express/communicate disagreement without being incendiary.  It is people with poor/ignorant/oblivious communication skills on this forum that fuel fires.

 

...

 

 

(changing subject) As to the folks coming from smaller hills (like me at 240 ft)... yeah some of us can ski, but I will be the first to say that what we cannot hold a candle to next to larger-mountain skiers is leg endurance.  Our legs are trained to tackle 20-second (more or less) bouts of intense skiing, all day long at short intervals... but longer runs can make our legs burn.  Kind of like weightlifting, the muscles are going to adapt differently to 50 sets of 4-repetition powerlifts compared to 15 high-rep exercises.  TOTALLY different.  And since--according to the one study--slow twitch muscles are correlated with better ski performance (world cup race performance I believe was variable), then many more people that regularly ski big hills will be better.

 

However (as I think above post may allude to indirectly), if you are from "flatlands" but rich enough to literally go ski out west every weekend (or most weekends), then at that point the gap in ability and fitness is bridged, and where you reside during the week has little effect on your skiing.

post #101 of 155
Referring back to the original heading: if you've got some groovy threads I'd expect you to chill
post #102 of 155

WHAT???? we have a search function????

So cool what does it do ? how does it work?

Oh wate Ill use the search function to see if there are any threads about how to use the search function!!!

Oh man I just cant seem to find anything that I can use here to tell me how to use it???th_dunno-1[1].gif

post #103 of 155
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Originally Posted by Old Boot View Post

WHAT???? we have a search function????

So cool what does it do ? how does it work?

Oh wate Ill use the search function to see if there are any threads about how to use the search function!!!

Oh man I just cant seem to find anything that I can use here to tell me how to use it???th_dunno-1[1].gif

Search Jong ! devil.gif

 

Then use the Epicski Search and Advanced Search Wiki  beercheer.gif
 

 

post #104 of 155
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Originally Posted by Old Boot View Post

WHAT???? we have a search function????

So cool what does it do ? how does it work?

Oh wate Ill use the search function to see if there are any threads about how to use the search function!!!

Oh man I just cant seem to find anything that I can use here to tell me how to use it???th_dunno-1[1].gif



Foreigners ............Geezesmile.gif

 


Edited by Uncle Louie - 3/15/11 at 9:55am
post #105 of 155

I am posting just to be involved in this incredibly important thread, not to add anything to the conversation.... and to pad my post count a little more to catch up with those who joined here in the past few years and already have 20K+ posts.... no doubt that most of their posts were laden with substantial content... guess I should read some of them once in a while?

 

 

 

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post #106 of 155
Thread Starter 

that's where this little guy says it all:yahoo.gif naaaah, nananana.  smile.gif


Edited by davluri - 3/15/11 at 9:13pm
post #107 of 155

It's not the doldrums of summer ,we got  some good snow still  here and there. Like a wise man sort of, kind  of said.   Don't demand of  the community to raise your spirits , raise the community with your spirit.

 

Humans are just acting like humans here.  Often we disagree but  really need to hear the other side.  I can feel so much good and happiness in the joy of our sport here. 

Thank you , the many, for that. 

The rest is amusement. Grow a  thicker skin and show some courtesy to those that have the courage to offer a dissenting opinion. How about reasoning your opinion to sway them ?

post #108 of 155
Speaking of "Summer doldrums" and "naaaah, nananana..." -- Crystal Mountain (WA) has announced a second season staring April 21 and going to June 12... tongue.gif

(Regrettably, they'll close for the season on April 17... and we'll have to wait four whole days to start skiing again.. )

This could be a terrible, just terrible Spring for us here in Washington State... beercheer.gif

.ma
post #109 of 155
Thread Starter 

by new season, does that mean pass holders buy a new spring pass, or will the regular season pass be valid? or is it an opportunity for non-passholders to buy a cheap spring pass for 3 months?

 

I'm interested in what controls when our resort closes for the season, given plenty of snow.

Have you observed the ski resort making more money this regular season, making it possible for them to continue the cost of operations? Or will they support the area on these next batch of passes (if they are selling more)? I ask because I think Squaw has said, regarding closing with lots of snow, or reducing operations in late April early May, that there is no money to keep operating, (and it's true the big crowds are way down, bay area people getting back to tennis and riding).


Edited by davluri - 3/15/11 at 4:58pm
post #110 of 155
From what I read on their website it looks like the regular 'Winter Pass' expires on April 17 and a special Spring Pass will be $150. People who purchase a Winter Pass for next season get this year's Spring Season automatically. Lots of snow up there so unless we get warm rain skiing up at higher elevations might be just fine.

I've no idea why any particular ski area closes when they do. Could be contract requirements, labor availability, permit timings, perceived hazards increase, lack of customers... pretty much anything.

.ma
post #111 of 155
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by GarryZ View Post

It's not the doldrums of summer ,we got  some good snow still  here and there. Like a wise man sort of, kind  of said.   Don't demand of  the community to raise your spirits , raise the community with your spirit.

 

Humans are just acting like humans here.  Often we disagree but  really need to hear the other side.  I can feel so much good and happiness in the joy of our sport here. 

Thank you , the many, for that. 

The rest is amusement. Grow a  thicker skin and show some courtesy to those that have the courage to offer a dissenting opinion. How about reasoning your opinion to sway them ?

It's all good...
 

 

post #112 of 155

I skied without my helmet.

 

I wore a nice hat with a tassle form Christine's.

 

Friday Saturday AND Sunday.

 

I liked it.

post #113 of 155

I think it's high time we started building airbags into pom-poms.

post #114 of 155
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Originally Posted by jimmy View Post

I skied without my helmet.

 

I wore a nice hat with a tassle form Christine's.

 

Friday Saturday AND Sunday.

 

I liked it.



You go Jimmy!

 

You can always make a flower pot out of that "thing"

 

post #115 of 155

Some good points made in this rather odd thread.

Might we improve the search function? and while we're at it the editor?

The auto search before starting a thread is a very good idea.

 

Basically, the viewpoints have been previously summed up in that classic bible of quotation, Hot Dog The Movie:

"You people!..."

 

post #116 of 155
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Originally Posted by jimmy View Post

I skied without my helmet.

 

I wore a nice hat with a tassle form Christine's.

 

Friday Saturday AND Sunday.

 

I liked it.


It's a real nice hat, but I think you had it on backwards!

 

post #117 of 155

You may be right: try that with a helmet.

post #118 of 155

Tog, you always find a way to make me laugh!
 

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Originally Posted by Tog View Post

Some good points made in this rather odd thread.

Might we improve the search function? and while we're at it the editor?

The auto search before starting a thread is a very good idea.

 

Basically, the viewpoints have been previously summed up in that classic bible of quotation, Hot Dog The Movie:

"You people!..."

 



 

post #119 of 155

Are you talking about something like this thread?

 

http://www.epicski.com/forum/thread/102828/apex-ski-boot

post #120 of 155
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Originally Posted by Rusty Guy View Post

I grew tired of instructors from Maryland offering advice about powder skiing and/or instuctors from Cleveland talking about bump skiing.


I got tired of instructors from good bump areas arguing with good bump coaches about bump skiing, and of instructors from areas with jingus snowpacks and less than stellar storm totals trying to hold their chin too high on the pow thing. 

 

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