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post #61 of 155
2/28/11 at 1:51pm



 

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Originally Posted by Uncle Louie View Post

The place has become a medley of "what skis should I buy?", "what area should I ski at this weekend?", "how can I get a discount ticket?" and "what should I do if my bindings are mounted wrong?".

 

I'm thinking we are at a new low on the education front, at least since I've been here.



AH UL are you the guy with the broad shoulders ?

OOps sorry don't mean to pick on you...PLEASE ACCEPT MY APOLOGIES.

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post #62 of 155
2/28/11 at 2:04pm

I see no problem with new visitors asking questions, I don't care they have been asked 1000 times before. It gives them a voice in a new forum and makes them feel as though they belong , They didn't read it they asked it. I see no problems. As I see no problems with some of the bantering that goes on here as most of it is done by folks that either ski with each other have shared a drink or chat together off and on. If you dint want to read it and reply then don't!

I like what goes on here mostly and find it all adds to the interest of the site.

Maybe you want to start an area that lists resorts and equipment in a list type format, save people from having to get involved if they think that is just "too much"

Thats all I have to say about that.

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post #63 of 155
3/4/11 at 3:34am

The wiki has been proposed as a better solution than stickies for repeated questions, and this is all well and good. For some questions where there simply is a correct answer, a wiki is a great solution. But where things are a matter of opinion, I'm not so sure. A newbie reading a wiki entry gets the impression that there is a consensus, where there may well be none. A preserved thread often indicates better that there are a variety of takes on the topic, which may be confusing but it's ultimately better to know.

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post #64 of 155
3/4/11 at 4:49am

When it comes down to it, this is a community of people who are passionate about skiing who like to have dialog about what they're passionate about.  Sometimes its blather, and some times its not, but mostly its building relationships and meeting new folks to share your passion with.

Is it chilling or chillin' ?

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post #65 of 155
3/4/11 at 7:12am

I usually check the "Search" function before posting a query....

Two things...first, using the search function first than posting a question does not remove the possibility of getting a snarky reply. People have a "memory" of something being discussed in the past which may not be valid. And, yes, I do the "Advanced Search".....

Second, the result of some of these searches is that something got discussed as long ago as 2001. I personally feel that any opinion offered here is just that, an opinion, and somebody with a more applicable-to-me opinion may have joined after "THE DEFINITIVE THREAD" about a particular topic. Are those people's opinions less than valued?

 

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post #66 of 155
3/4/11 at 11:21am
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Two things...first, using the search function first than posting a question does not remove the possibility of getting a snarky reply. People have a "memory" of something being discussed in the past which may not be valid.

The things that get snarky replies are usually topics that get brought up reasonably frequently, and either:

 

1) Have something resembling a factual answer, and searching either here or on the web would easily find the information.  ("Where should I stay when I visit <resort>?", "How's the weather at <resort> in <month>?", "Is this a good price for <used thing I'm thinking about buying>?", "What do people think about <popular piece of equipment>?")

 

or

 

2) The post doesn't contain enough information to actually help the user.  ("Hi, I'm new, what skis should I buy?")

 

or

 

3) The topic is controversial and usually turns into a flamewar.  (e.g. most threads related to helmet use.)

 

Some people are just snarky in general, though...

 

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Second, the result of some of these searches is that something got discussed as long ago as 2001. I personally feel that any opinion offered here is just that, an opinion, and somebody with a more applicable-to-me opinion may have joined after "THE DEFINITIVE THREAD" about a particular topic. Are those people's opinions less than valued?

 

No, and sometimes it's perfectly reasonable to bring something up and ask if the opinion about it has changed.  But the way to do that is to say something like : "I searched for information on <topic>, and found this: <link to old thread and/or other resources>.  Is that information still good?  Has <topic> changed since <date old information was posted>?"  That way it's clear that you already put some effort in, and you don't start a whole new discussion that ignores everything the old one said.

 

That will usually get a much better response than "Hey you, tell me about <topic that was discussed to death last year>."

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post #67 of 155
3/4/11 at 6:41pm


 

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Originally Posted by csavage View Post

 

 using the search function first than posting a question does not remove the possibility of getting a snarky reply.

 

In addition to the excellent post from Matthias99 just wanted to add that I get alot of snarky replies all the time. Even when I am just discussing things or trying to answer other people's questions. Some people are just generally pissed off all the time. Nothing you can do.

 

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post #68 of 155
3/5/11 at 1:19pm
I had hoped that the issue of skiing without poles ("I don't need no stinkin poles!") would join the Pro / con of PMTS, and the helmet / no-helmet threads in generating endless senseless bickering; but I've been sadly disappointed.
Being from NYC I need to have one hand free for a lighter, one for a pipe, and another for a pistol (for shooting at snowboarders).

Oh wait, that's 3 hands... let's argue over the question of skiing with 3 hands or only 2 (realy advanced skiers like myself ski with 3). .
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post #69 of 155
3/5/11 at 2:00pm
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Originally Posted by Phlogiston View Post

I had hoped that the issue of skiing without poles ("I don't need no stinkin poles!") would join the Pro / con of PMTS, and the helmet / no-helmet threads in generating endless senseless bickering; but I've been sadly disappointed.
Being from NYC I need to have one hand free for a lighter, one for a pipe, and another for a pistol (for shooting at snowboarders).

Oh wait, that's 3 hands... let's argue over the question of skiing with 3 hands or only 2 (realy advanced skiers like myself ski with 3). .


smile.gif  I don't need no schtinking poles plants, but I like to ski with poles just the same.  So how is that third arm holding out Zaphod?

 

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post #70 of 155
3/5/11 at 2:17pm

Here's proof of the thread title.

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Originally Posted by Ghost View Post

Heluva,

Could you start a new thread on momentum, and rebound.  I think there is some confusion as to what you mean by rebound momentum.  Nobody in their right mind would disagree that momentum management from turn to turn is critical, but I can see a lot of different takes on "rebound",


 

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Originally Posted by HeluvaSkier View Post




To be blunt Ghost - No. I have no interest in starting a new thread where I have to defend constant stupidity from people who cannot dislodge their heads from their own asses. This is nothing against you, but I don't have the energy for it. If you have questions I'm happy to answer them via PM.

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post #71 of 155
3/5/11 at 2:44pm
That's exactly what it's doing - holding out.

And psychotropic plants are better than 'poles plants' any day (or night).
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post #72 of 155
3/9/11 at 8:26am

Just don't forget to water your pole plants regularly.

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post #73 of 155
3/9/11 at 2:11pm

Now you're talking about what you're talking about! This is hilarious

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post #74 of 155
3/9/11 at 3:45pm
Thread Starter 

at least it's not antagonistic or cynical....or having a chilling effectbeercheer.gif

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post #75 of 155
3/9/11 at 4:06pm

I think the problem is cyclical (not cynical) posting.

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post #76 of 155
3/9/11 at 4:17pm
Thread Starter 

as in rotates around to your backside and bites youroflmao.gif

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post #77 of 155
3/10/11 at 4:03pm
Of course it might really be agnostic and synechdochical; then we'll need pole plantations and pale plinths.
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post #78 of 155
3/10/11 at 4:33pm

I don't think the search function is that great here, but I would point out that some specific questions (some that one would think would be commonly asked) are actually not asked.  When I've had some questions I wanted answered (whether or not I ultimately made a new thread asking a question) I exhaustively searched this forum through this site, through google and bing... and it turns out everything isn't asked.

 

Also, the point of a forum is to discuss things in real time, and generate discourse/dialogue.  If one question should never be asked again, then there'd be wikis/stickys biannually about equipment, and nothing more.

 

Also, I think patience should be shown with both new posters (many of whom probably may not return after their initial question is answered), and folks coming from places where their local expert resources (such as competent bootfitters) are somewhat to completely absent.

 

 

 

 

But overall I think we all know this place is much more friendly and civilized, compared to the shit-show going on at the TGR forums, where-God forbid-any new person (automatically JONGs and Gapers) could join... and overall it is more of a porn/perv festival than actual skiing talk (and of course the latter often dealing with extreme backcountry tours that many people just don't do and/or aren't in to)

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post #79 of 155
3/11/11 at 8:16am
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Originally Posted by Trekchick View Post

When it comes down to it, this is a community of people who are passionate about skiing who like to have dialog about what they're passionate about.  Sometimes its blather, and some times its not, but mostly its building relationships and meeting new folks to share your passion with.

Is it chilling or chillin' ?

beercheer.gif


agreed. for a while, there was a spat of posts that seemed to represent a "generation gap" type slamming, knee jerk, automatic put downs. it seemed that slamming a person of one's parent generation here had the snarky satisfaction of disrespecting one's own parents. it is a boring approach to disagreeing on a topic. may be toned down recently, which is nice.

 

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post #80 of 155
3/11/11 at 9:03am
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Originally Posted by davluri View Post

agreed. for a while, there was a spat of posts that seemed to represent a "generation gap" type slamming, knee jerk, automatic put downs. it seemed that slamming a person of one's parent generation here had the snarky satisfaction of disrespecting one's own parents. it is a boring approach to disagreeing on a topic. may be toned down recently, which is nice.

 


Whereas the older generation never posts anything dismissive or otherwise disrespectful of the younger generation. For example, no one has dismissed their arguments as automatic knee-jerk put-downs thinly disguising an adolescent wish to rebel against their parents.

 

Posts like this one are just as disrespectful as those you are complaining about; i.e., you're being hypocritical again.

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post #81 of 155
3/11/11 at 9:30am
Thread Starter 

respectfully disagree, as it's a matter of degree and proportion. and you are not accurate if you are comparing actual numbers of posts that are rude and abusive by people of different generations.

 

the posts I refer to have no content whatsoever with respect to the information discussed, and are just personal insults. the term "spat of posts" does not infer a blanket condemnation of young  people, as the phrase "for a while" means the problem has not always been nor always will be an issue, either.

 

last thing that is productive would be to re-fire the generation squabble. like I said: "it's been toned down recently, which is nice"

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post #82 of 155
3/11/11 at 3:25pm

I grew tired of instructors from Maryland offering advice about powder skiing and/or instuctors from Cleveland talking about bump skiing.

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post #83 of 155
3/11/11 at 3:35pm

Really....  I think it's kinda funny.
 

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Originally Posted by Rusty Guy View Post

I grew tired of instructors from Maryland offering advice about powder skiing and/or instuctors from Cleveland talking about bump skiing.



 

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post #84 of 155
3/11/11 at 3:39pm
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Originally Posted by Rusty Guy View Post

I grew tired of instructors from Maryland offering advice about powder skiing and/or instuctors from Cleveland talking about bump skiing.



Cube.....you on here ?  I think we need to move to a skiing state before I post in any of the instructional threads again.

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post #85 of 155
3/11/11 at 3:46pm

After skiing around with you today, I am ready to listen to anything you have to say.  You skied strong in mixed conditions on a ski that wasn't optimal.  I had a real blast and I'm glad we hooked up.
 

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Originally Posted by Uncle Louie View Post





Cube.....you on here ?  I think we need to move to a skiing state before I post in any of the instructional threads again.



 

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post #86 of 155
3/11/11 at 3:50pm
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Originally Posted by Rusty Guy View Post

I grew tired of instructors from Maryland offering advice about powder skiing and/or instuctors from Cleveland talking about bump skiing.



 



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Originally Posted by tetonpwdrjunkie View Post

Really....  I think it's kinda funny.
 



 

Not as funny as the noob calling out Old Boot for being the stereotypical South Carolinianroflmao.gif
 

 

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post #87 of 155
3/11/11 at 4:02pm
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Originally Posted by Uncle Louie View Post


Cube.....you on here ?  I think we need to move to a skiing state before I post in any of the instructional threads again.


spit.gifROTF.gif roflmao.gif

 

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post #88 of 155
3/11/11 at 4:20pm

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Originally Posted by Uncle Louie View Post

Cube.....you on here ?  I think we need to move to a skiing state before I post in any of the instructional threads again.


Oh dear...doesn't it count that you used to live in VT and CO?  Maybe it will help that we're just a stone's throw from Cincinnati! rolleyes.gif

You may just have to stop posting in the instructional forums...no one listens anyway...

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post #89 of 155
3/11/11 at 4:29pm
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Originally Posted by Uncle Louie View Post





Cube.....you on here ?  I think we need to move to a skiing state before I post in any of the instructional threads again.



How bout that van.. down by the river?

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post #90 of 155
3/11/11 at 4:38pm


 

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Originally Posted by Rusty Guy View Post

I grew tired of instructors from Maryland offering advice about powder skiing and/or instuctors from Cleveland talking about bump skiing.

 

Is the other Rusty a little jealous? The Rusty pretty much carries the Snowboarding forum. I don't read a lot of the Ski Instruction threads, though I should. I doubt anyone from Maryland is stinking them up, unless it's me, but I don't remember giving powders skiing advice and don't have instructor under my name.

 

Pierre is a good bumper. Both of those guys are level threes.

 

How's that for antagonistic and cynical? I try.

 

Fear the Turtle!

 

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