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post #1 of 19
Thread Starter 

Well folks here goes...

 

I've been looking into new skis lately, as my ability/tastes are growing and my current skis i feel are not ideal in what I try to ski.

 

Currently - I'm 5'8" - 165-170#

Ski fairly aggressively - always hunting for soft snow - ducking into trees when I can.  Steeps are a blast - steep glades are a hoot!  On the groomers I'm the one racing back to the lift. 

 

My regular ski hill is Lake Louise (Banff Alberta) - love Fernie and Kicking Horse BC too

 

I currently ski Head's Monster 82's in a 172 length.

 

Looking really hard at the following

 

Rossignol S3

Salomon Shogun

Head Jerry 104

G3 Tonic

 

Curious what people think?  The only ski I can't find any reviews on is the Jerry104... Absolutely all of the other skis, sound like a great match for my style.

 

Opinions?

 

Thoughts?

 

 

post #2 of 19
Thread Starter 

Bumpitybumpbump?

post #3 of 19

 

Rossi S3 Salomon Shogun both rock, I like the S3 a little more.  Maybe check out the Dynastar Sultan 95 too.

post #4 of 19

i love my rossi s3's. great in any conditions and have no problems on groomers. Probably my favorite ski i have ever used

post #5 of 19

Icelantic Shaman or Icelantic Nomad

Blizzard Bushwhacker

post #6 of 19

I would think in Alberta the S7 would be far more fun than the (narrower for no reason) S3

post #7 of 19
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Originally Posted by davluri View Post

I would think in Alberta the S7 would be far more fun than the (narrower for no reason) S3



i was thinking about saying s7 but it wasn't in the list. S7 is the better by far.

post #8 of 19

Interesting opinions so far given that none has asked the most important question.......are you supplementing your Monster 82 or replacing it?

 

Replacing?...................Your list is fine

Supplementing?............Good reason to go wider.

 

SJ

post #9 of 19
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Thanks for the thoughts everyone. I'm thinking, with the exception of HORRIBLE snow conditions, the new skis will be replacements.

 

I'll keep my Monsters on rock duty, and maybe "no snow in a month" duty.

 

S7 vs. S3?  I was under the impression that the S7 is pretty useless in anything but big pow days - this was the mini-review I got from my local shop.  What do you mean narrower for no reason?  Does the S7 actually rival the S3 on groomer/hard pack conditions?  As much as I love the big pow days, I'm looking for a ski that I won't utterly regret if it hasn't snowed in a week.... I ski Lake Louise primarily, and to get back to the Jeep at the end of the day, I'm more or less forced to ski groomers top to bottom, by the end of the day they get hard, skied off, and icy.

 

Think I'm renting the Shogun this weekend, will give it a shot.  Length suggestion?

 

Have an opportunity to rent next weekend as well, the S3 and S7 are both available at Kicking Horse...

post #10 of 19

Given your self description and intended usage, I suspect the S7 will not be your cuppa and perhaps not the S3 either. I owned an S7 for the best part of 2 seasons and eventually dumped it b/c while it was fun on the deep days and maybe the day after, it just wasn't a versatile enough ski for my tastes. LL is a biiiiiig place with several differing sun/wind exposures and the conditions there are pretty variable come two days after. My own tastes would prefer something narrower and with less rockah if it were going to be a daily driver. Still......they might just be a home run for you so you should probably try one or both. I know the Shogun and S3 quite well and like both but would choose the Shogun everyday and twice on Sundays for your needs. 

 

Your needs are not all that unique and there are many skis that could serve well. I can't speak to the Heads or the G3s but another ski that should be on your radar is the Atomic Coax. (Can't say about availability in Canada though)

 

SJ

post #11 of 19
Thread Starter 

Thanks for the info SierraJim - you're 100% correct about the condition of Lake Louise.  Paradise can be absolutely EPIC, while at the same time, Larch can be miserable.  Same goes all over the mountain.

 

Like I say, I think I'm going to be renting a pair of Shoguns (probably 173s) this weekend, very much looking forward to see what they're all about.  The wife might even rent the Geisha's, see what she thinks of them.  I'll have a look out to see about atomic too, seems most of our shops here in Calgary carry some atomic, but not the coax. 

 

As you're one of our EpicSki guys on here, any shipping/duties guesstimate from your shop to Calgary AB?

post #12 of 19
Thread Starter 

Hi All,

 

Well - I got a chance to rent the Shoguns yesterday.  Got some initial thoughts, and a couple questions too...

 

Skied Sunshine Village yesterday, 7cm (~3.5") fresh overnight, overall pretty soft conditions.

 

First couple runs, I was really in love with them.  They seemed much lighter than my Head iM Monster 82's, and I really didn't have any troubles getting them over on edge.  Once they hooked up on edge they seemed to really scream too.  They really liked go get up to speed, and the edges seem to carve alot better as they accelerated.

 

Then I took em off piste, and I realized something - I REALLY loved em!  But I had a little problem at the same time.  I've realized that I'm skiing much to far forward, and I was having some trouble balancing.  Trying to drive them in the front of my boot like I would my Monsters, I felt that I would hook the tip on any little bit of crud, and almost tripped me up a few times.  If I could remember to get back on my heels a bit, not too much that I'd be in the back seat, but more.... centered, they would hook back up and loved em.

 

SO now for my questions.  I'm 5'8", 165-170#s - currently I'm on 172 Head Monsters, mounted a bit forward of center. 

 

I was renting the 173 Shoguns, no idea where they were mounted (rentals on sliding bindings of course).  Should I have been on the 182s or would I then be fighting those being too long for me? Would I have benefited from mounting back a bit of center? 

 

OR did the shoguns simply expose an issue with my stance that I need to correct?

 

Thanks alot all

post #13 of 19

I was at Park City this week.  The demo shop had several new S7's there for the taking.  I've been wanting to demo the S7's for a while now,  and I've read reviews that they could be skiied in all conditions.  It hadn't snowed in 5 days at Park City, and the demo guys strongly advised against demoing the S7's when there wasn't a lot of fresh pow, so I didn't.  I  figure these guys would know - so there you go on the S7's.

post #14 of 19

The S7s are very versatile.  I use them quite a bit on non-powder days and like them a lot!  BTW....  Don't ski at Sunshine!  They deserve to be boycotted into oblivion.

post #15 of 19
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Originally Posted by tetonpwdrjunkie View Post

The S7s are very versatile.  I use them quite a bit on non-powder days and like them a lot!  BTW....  Don't ski at Sunshine!  They deserve to be boycotted into oblivion.

 

Thanks for the input teton - yeah, Sunshine was not my choice.... AND it was a free day, we've got cards up here that grant us the 1st, 4th, and 7th days free.  This was day # 2 at sunshine, but 4 on the card.  Haven't given SSV a dime this year so far, and don't plan to in the future.

 

Methinks the S7s are out of the picture, as we get alot more windblown/hard/miserable days up here than soft/fluffy/blower days.  If I'm lucky *crosses fingers* Kicking Horse will still have a pair of Blizzard The One's on their demo rack this weekend, I'll find out tomorrow.
 

 

post #16 of 19
Thread Starter 

WWWEEEEELLLL...

 

I rented a couple more skis this weekend, at Kicking Horse BC - had a blast in the pow...

 

Rented the Rossi S3 (168) and the Blizzard Titan Atlas (173).

 

Both days we were finding boot - knee/thigh deep pow at the top of the mountain in the trees and alpine ... and a pretty hard pack/iced up bottom half of the mountain.

 

I really enjoyed the S3 at the top of the mountain, it was super light and fun in the trees, pow and bumps and just had a great time.  Super easy to turn.  Problem?  the groomers by midday had thawed, and frozen, and were painful.  I could not get comfortable on any edges, and trying to struggle back to the bottom of the gondola - it was painful. 

 

The Blizzard Atlas - was a traditional ski, 94 under foot... while it could definitely charge a groomer A LOT harder, I found the ski very burly for my taste.  I really had to 'muscle' it around a turn in the steeps and trees.  Simply put, I did not enjoy this ski - it just tired me out.

 

Would I buy an Atlas?  Nope.

 

Would I buy an S3?  - Maybe.  BUT, it would be with the understanding that it is a ski I'd only want out after a storm, AND if I was getting a ski that I knowingly wouldn't ski every day... Why not go to the bigger S7?  or another bigger powder board?

 

The S3 did make me even more curious about "The One" though, the reviews I've read put it in the same boat as the S3, but better than the S3 in hardpack situations.... might have to see what I can find....

 

Do definitely want to check out a Shogun again... now that I'm a little more comfortable on different skis, I think I'll have a blast on it, and it may just be the winner.

 

 

post #17 of 19
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Originally Posted by BrendonR View Post

WWWEEEEELLLL...

 

I rented a couple more skis this weekend, at Kicking Horse BC - had a blast in the pow...

 

Rented the Rossi S3 (168) and the Blizzard Titan Atlas (173).

 

Both days we were finding boot - knee/thigh deep pow at the top of the mountain in the trees and alpine ... and a pretty hard pack/iced up bottom half of the mountain.

 

I really enjoyed the S3 at the top of the mountain, it was super light and fun in the trees, pow and bumps and just had a great time.  Super easy to turn.  Problem?  the groomers by midday had thawed, and frozen, and were painful.  I could not get comfortable on any edges, and trying to struggle back to the bottom of the gondola - it was painful. 

 

The Blizzard Atlas - was a traditional ski, 94 under foot... while it could definitely charge a groomer A LOT harder, I found the ski very burly for my taste.  I really had to 'muscle' it around a turn in the steeps and trees.  Simply put, I did not enjoy this ski - it just tired me out.

 

Would I buy an Atlas?  Nope.

 

Would I buy an S3?  - Maybe.  BUT, it would be with the understanding that it is a ski I'd only want out after a storm, AND if I was getting a ski that I knowingly wouldn't ski every day... Why not go to the bigger S7?  or another bigger powder board?

 

The S3 did make me even more curious about "The One" though, the reviews I've read put it in the same boat as the S3, but better than the S3 in hardpack situations.... might have to see what I can find....

 

Do definitely want to check out a Shogun again... now that I'm a little more comfortable on different skis, I think I'll have a blast on it, and it may just be the winner.

 

 


I have demoed skiis over the years and found it to be a mixed bag.  A ski can feel great one day but you need to demo it over about a week or so in varying conditions to really know the ski, by which time you may just about have paid for the ski!  I have found reading posts from reviewers on Epic, TGR and other sites to be really helpful, particularly if you get to know and trust the reviewer.  Dawgcatching is one of the testers I have followed for some time.  He tests a lot of skis and writes an unbiased and descriptive review.  Recently I bought the 182 Shoguns on his and others reviews.  I live in the Tahoe area and have now skied this ski 4 days under varying conditions over the past week or so.  Conditions have been mostly pretty soft, including 10" fresh Sierra Cement (about 8:1 very heavy stuff), heavy crud, early spring variable snow--thin crust / light corn, and some frozen morning crud.  I am replacing an old pair of 2001 Line Motherships (95 ww) with these skis and haven't demoed other wide skis recently so I am not an expert reviewer.  That said, I am ecstatic about these skis after skiing them in the challenging conditions listed above.  I have not tested them in deep untracked pow yet as we haven't had any since I bought them, but trust they will work well as untracked, particularly lighter pow is a piece of cake compared to what I have been testing them in.  This is my 4th quiver 2 ski since the early 90's and it is by far the best.  The medium flex with the modest tip rocker works well everywhere.  Not sure how much I will be on my quiver 1 ski, my Elan 777's, as the Shoguns are so versatile.  If you are an advanced skier that likes to go all over the mountain and generally avoids the groomers, you should like these skis.  I found them online for $429 with free shipping.  Good Luck!

 

BTW, I am 5'11, 175.  At 59 I am older but since I ski 50++ days per season, I tend to keep up with most of the kids pretty well.  Skiing is, after all, a downhill activity (at least it should be as far as I am concerned)!
 

 

post #18 of 19

I think you'd adjust easily to the 173cm because it combines agility and stability at speed, or you could ski the next size for faster cruisin'. It's a popular every day ski at Tahoe.

 

A ski not on the list yet that I see a lot of western skiers on already is the new Dynastar  Legend Pro 105, top sheet is white with wood look brown and red, very retro. I believe it has tip rise or rocker for plowing and floating the pow and a very stout tail so it's the same ski there as ever. Fairly straight dems, so a very long radius turn. Interesting ski, more where you are now, no substantive difference from the Head.

post #19 of 19
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Thanks alot for the input all.

 

Just to let you all know, I pulled the trigger (or rather, the WIFE pulled the trigger for me)...

 

2010/2011 Salomon Shoguns 173

w/ Head Mojo 12 Bindings (in my humble opinion, they actually look KILLER with the Shoguns....)

 

After I get a few more days on em I might write up my official review, although, I think it's pretty much all been said already.  No need to say it, but after 2 days on 173 shoguns, I love em (almost as much as I love the wife who bought em for me wink.gif)

 

 

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