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intermediate looking for all day whistler ski (mid-high 90s/low 100s) that isn't too stiff

post #1 of 20
Thread Starter 

intermediate looking for all day whistler ski (mid-high 90s/low 100s) that isn't too stiff 

 

I've also been offered a pair of 2007/08 Volkl Gotamas  in 168 has been offered to me for $350 (used 20x approx)...supposedly excellent base/edges... did later models change however aside from recent rockered version?...

 

prob is i'm 5'6" (167cm) and a chunky 175 (goal is however to get down to 165)...would that 168 goal be too short a ski?

I'm an aspiring intermediate, not aggressive or hard charging: l prefer technique over speed...mid aged.

 

 I'm not an overly aggressive skier...prefer more technique/finesse vis rocketing speed...been told by whistler instructors i'm a high blue/low black in skill level...do mostly groomers (blues, blacks)...just getting into off piste/mounds/bumps more...

 

need something mid stiff and not planky for a 1 day quiver at whistler when they can get from 20-50 cm of snow...then 'tis also good for later on things when conditions get packed out and you're doing groomers.

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Edited by canali - 2/24/11 at 4:00pm
post #2 of 20

Prophet 100 in the 179 length would probably work pretty well for you. They're reasonably light, and the sidecut makes them work pretty well on groomers. The width, length, and flex should make them work well for you in the soft stuff as well.

post #3 of 20

Search for daily driver in the review section.

 

I just ordered a blizzi "the one" 184 cm from starhaus for a daily driver both touring and in the resort. Basicly the same things you said here.

post #4 of 20

Gotama seems a bit stiff for an intermediate.  Prophet 100 maybe?  Blizzard "the one" way, way too stiff for an intermediate.

 

I also think that an intermediate probably doesn't need something over 100mm regardless of the mountain (I ski Whistler plenty).  Low 90's is probably a better way to go.  Someone who's mastered carving on varying terrain can carve a ski over 100mm without a problem, but an intermediate; maybe not.

post #5 of 20
Thread Starter 

would mantra be a better choice then (low 90s)?

post #6 of 20

more info on your skiing yet would help, but Mantra, Gotama, The One are all pretty stiff. I don't know mid stiff skis, but peeps here do, and that's likely what you need. Shogun? maybe. fairly stiff also, however. the "flagship" model series of each brand is going to be stiff in the 90s width.

 

never did a continuing ski model come out to more conflicting information about changes in the model each year. there is no way to know how the various models compare, especially given that stiffness varies a bit from one pair to another of the same ski. 

post #7 of 20
Thread Starter 

I'm an 'aspiring intermediate'....when taking group lessons i'm told i'm in between a blue advanced/black 'light' in abilities. most groomers ok, even blacks (not double diamonds)....i'm not an aggressive fast skier (though I can if I want to hold my own with others)...instead I prefer finesses and great technique...slowing things down with more control. (maybe later as technique improves i'll ramp things up in speed/aggressiveness).


i'm seeking a good all day ski i can use at whistler when,let's say, it snows 20-40 cm....something that is good for ungroomed (just getting into that), mounds, trees (also new) bumps (just getting into that too) and yet as things get packed down (no more snow, lets' say)over the next day or so it holds its own on groomers too...mid stiff, not planky.

 

i currently ride this yr's atomic blackeye ti in 167 (and love em)..they have an 82 mm waist for those strictly groomer days.

 

i'm 167 tall (5'6") a chunky 175 but getting down to 165 shortly.

 

The set of 168cm volkl goats (gold '07 model) being offered to me w bindings ....i'm wondering if they're a bit short?  but don't want something too long too and unweildy....also looking at watea 101 or 94 or the newer atomic access in 171.

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Originally Posted by davluri View Post

more info on your skiing yet would help, but Mantra, Gotama, The One are all pretty stiff. I don't know mid stiff skis, but peeps here do, and that's likely what you need. Shogun? maybe. fairly stiff also, however. the "flagship" model series of each brand is going to be stiff in the 90s width.

 

never did a continuing ski model come out to more conflicting information about changes in the model each year. there is no way to know how the various models compare, especially given that stiffness varies a bit from one pair to another of the same ski. 

post #8 of 20
Demo a pair of Atomic Access. Whistler Village Sports and the Mountain Top Demo Centers have them to try.
post #9 of 20

On a decent day at Whistler, look what is on the feet of the people you realistically aspire to ski like. Since I have ESP, I'll tell you what you will see many of. smile.gif

 

Bent Chetlers (maybe some Blogs too)

S7s

JJs

Obsetheds

 

And an assortment of Priors (Overlords and Dough Boys), Katanas, 4FRNT EHPs, etc. Maybe some new goats. While you will not see a ton, the  DPS 112 RPs as well as Praxis BCs and Concepts land in this design and use space as well. Next year you also will see Salomon Rocker 2s. And very likely a decent number of Volkl Shiros.

 

You will also see some fatter skis that - based on what you said -  may be less likely to be what you are looking for, but will actually do pretty well on most of the mountain(s) (the return from the glacier excepted biggrin.gif). This would include Pontoons, Hell Bents, ARGs, Kuros, and the odd  DPS Lotus 138, or Praxis Powder Board or Protest  that has found its way north...

 

These skis personify the genre you should be looking at. Given the nature of PNW snow and the terrain you want to ski, I would not consider anything less than 105 wise or lacking tip+tail rocker and some form of early taper. In fact, I'd focus on skis north of 110 wide. And as noted by others, something in the general design space above that is not too stiff - although stiffness may be less important than the overall design.

 

Having said that, the old goats are pretty nice skis. Great skis for their day. And there are plenty still out there. However, if you are going to throw down $$ for a set of skis aimed at PNW off piste skiing today, you might think about the impact getting the more modern designs will likely have on your progress. Next decent day, ride Jersey Cream early on and watch the show on the right near the top of the lift. Keep score in your head of who is having an decent time (even if not a stylish one) vs who is doing headers & digging for skis. I'll bet you a beer that the vast majority of people diving their tips, digging (excluding folks who have hucked their meat off the cliffs & imploded), etc. are on more traditional narrower skis. There's a message there.

 

Oh yeah - 168 would probably be short for you in any generation of the goat.

post #10 of 20
Thread Starter 

many thanks for great advice....will demo those access and others....

 

as per jersey chair, heck that cliffed area on blackcomb  at 10-11 oclock to the far upper right (when looking down the  hill)...seems alot of backcountry skiiers hike up to that point and drop in some couloir...pretty flippin' cool

post #11 of 20
If you need skis over 110mm wide to ski powder, what you need is a lesson.
post #12 of 20
Quote:
Originally Posted by canali View Post

intermediate looking for all day whistler ski (mid-high 90s/low 100s) that isn't too stiff 

 

I've also been offered a pair of 2007/08 Volkl Gotamas  in 168 has been offered to me for $350 (used 20x approx)...supposedly excellent base/edges... did later models change however aside from recent rockered version?...

 

prob is i'm 5'6" (167cm) and a chunky 175 (goal is however to get down to 165)...would that 168 goal be too short a ski?

I'm an aspiring intermediate, not aggressive or hard charging: l prefer technique over speed...mid aged.

 

 I'm not an overly aggressive skier...prefer more technique/finesse vis rocketing speed...been told by whistler instructors i'm a high blue/low black in skill level...do mostly groomers (blues, blacks)...just getting into off piste/mounds/bumps more...

 

need something mid stiff and not planky for a 1 day quiver at whistler when they can get from 20-50 cm of snow...then 'tis also good for later on things when conditions get packed out and you're doing groomers.

.

 

A lot of the skis mentioned in this thread are high level off-piste skis, meant for high advanced to expert skiers.  I would keep that in perspective.  Something that you can learn bumps on is not going to be bigger than 100mm underfoot, nor for skill building.  If you have a 50cm dump, then you probably want a wider ski, so it really depends on your priorities.  A ski that is a good mid 90's low 100's ski will be a great daily driver (I personally like The One or a Watea 94/98 suggestion from Fischer, there are plenty of others too).  For a big day, get something else or rent; if you want a ski to do well in both, you need 2 pair.  I ski something ~90mm when it is firm or tracked out new snow, ~110mm when it is between around 8-15 inches of new or soft crud, and then a bigger board for big days.  

 

Some other, very versatile 100mm waist skis: Elan Spire, Salomon Shogun.  The Goat would definitely get the job done. 

 


 

post #13 of 20
Quote:
Originally Posted by spindrift View Post

On a decent day at Whistler, look what is on the feet of the people you realistically aspire to ski like. Since I have ESP, I'll tell you what you will see many of. smile.gif

 

Bent Chetlers (maybe some Blogs too)

S7s

JJs

Obsetheds

 

And an assortment of Priors (Overlords and Dough Boys), Katanas, 4FRNT EHPs, etc. Maybe some new goats. While you will not see a ton, the  DPS 112 RPs as well as Praxis BCs and Concepts land in this design and use space as well. Next year you also will see Salomon Rocker 2s. And very likely a decent number of Volkl Shiros.

 

You will also see some fatter skis that - based on what you said -  may be less likely to be what you are looking for, but will actually do pretty well on most of the mountain(s) (the return from the glacier excepted biggrin.gif). This would include Pontoons, Hell Bents, ARGs, Kuros, and the odd  DPS Lotus 138, or Praxis Powder Board or Protest  that has found its way north...

 

These skis personify the genre you should be looking at. Given the nature of PNW snow and the terrain you want to ski, I would not consider anything less than 105 wise or lacking tip+tail rocker and some form of early taper. In fact, I'd focus on skis north of 110 wide. And as noted by others, something in the general design space above that is not too stiff - although stiffness may be less important than the overall design.

 

Mostly agree except on conclusion. I've been here at Whistler for a couple of days, they got 2 m!! of snow last week, so decent conditions for here, and what I've seen in fats are lotsa Bents, S7's, Obsetheds for sure, coupla Priors as you'd expect, couple 4FRNTS. A few rockered Goats, one Gold from 08. One DPS 112RP. No JJ's. But basically what Spin sez. 

 

However, IMO most of these are wishful thinking. There's been no real snow in a week, just a cm here and there, and the serious stuff is settled in. Trees are decent but gloppy. Patches of stiff crud over toward Flute that's sending most of the super fat rockers back to the groomers. Lot of locals are on twins in the 80's-100's. So I'm all for the fats, but if I skied here all season, one ski allowed, it's be something with some metal in it that could handle stiff heavy snow, not just dumps. I'd say the Elan Olympus might be a good place to start, although personally I think something in the 90's like a Spire would be more useful. The One could deal with the ice, even though it's carbon, but I think a Head whatever they're calling the Mojo 94 now or a Sultan 94 would work better. (And you see a lot of them.) This kind of snow, and the spaces between it when you get rain (predicted next week) argue for some bite, not some serious width.

 

Spin's point about headers is reasonable, except that a lot of the yard sales you see are tourists on rental Rossi Avenger 76's, not locals. In all honesty, it's more of an age thing than a skill thing. Younger skiers here are on fatter twins/rockers, those over 30 are on 85 to 95-somethings. Both have the usual range of great to terrible skiers. But IMO if you want to improve your skill set, stay under 100 mm, work on technique, then go buy some Toons or whatever.

 

Dawg's idea of a Watea 94 is also good. 
 

post #14 of 20
Thread Starter 

PS I ski at local cypress a few nights per wk to stay tuned up, then head to whistler on wks to let the legs go. 

 

thanks for suggestions everyone

 

...my new atomic (2011) blackeye ti are 82mm in waist, with 123 shovel, 167 length... are an awesome on piste (light snow ) day ski....heck even when at whistler it's only a matter of time before any big dump gets really packed out and my blackeyes are ideally suited at least 50% of the time

(selling my mythic riders as they overlap with my new atomics.)

 

will check out the ones recommended....those new Atomic Access (100mm) do sound sweet .

 

once up at whistler next time I'll check out the Demo Centre and have some (free) fun.

 

post #15 of 20

I checked out the Access at Whistler demo tent last week, and, well, ordered them the same evening. My son and I both begged to keep them longer during the day as they were just such a blast. I'll meet with with my new pair Saturday in SLC and can't wait to get them all mounted up. PM me if you get interested for a stupid good price I found.

 

Also went out on Kastle FX94 (very smooth, but not different enough from my Mythic's to be worth pursuing), and my Obsetheds, which got knocked around in the crud versus the Atomics which while not MR's still put up a good fight in crud.

post #16 of 20
Thread Starter 

anyone know if the 2012  atomic access is to be different from 2011 (aside from cosmetics)?

post #17 of 20

Hey Canali,

 

I ski the same spots as you do. Local mountains Grouse/ Cypress in mid week and Whistler on the weekends. Your question and search is on I have done as well more than once as a bit of a gear slut I have had a few of the skis mentioned.

 

In short I like Dawg's and beyonds comments and echo that going over 110mm is likely more than needed and wishful thinking. A softer sand which construction ski like the Elan Spire 99mm or wider Olympus 110mm, Watea 98 should be on your demo list. They offer high performance without being too hard to ski and and accommodating in a huge variety of snow conditions short of hard pack which you have the Blackeyes for.

 

I picked up an Elan Olympus in 183 but could easily have got a 190 and I have about 20lbs on you and am perhaps a bit higher level and more aggressive. The 176cm should be good size for your weight and skill but it's going to depend on the ski.  Fanatyc Co in Whistler should have both of these skis and also has carries Fisher, Blizzard, Kastle, Volkl etc so you should be able to swap out easy enough and try other skis. They at least earlier this season had a heck of a lot more interesting selection then demo centre up top (to me anyway).

 

I think the best advice is to take a day or two at least and demo a bunch of skis. You'll thank yourself for it and save a lot of money figuring out what really works for you and for where you ski.

Good luck and lets hope this cold wet trend continues.

post #18 of 20

Volkl Aura would be perfect, IMO, Geisha also.

 

why would you ask about the Mantra? don't you read stuff around here? Mantra is one of the stiffest (common) skis made, especially the tail, which takes a lot of power to finish the turn. the Aura is a softer version of the Mantra, same construction, different materials to change the flex. talking about the Mantra after stating what you need is a waste of time.

 

don't buy a deal 'cause it's a good price. 

 

dawg is always objective, some others, not so much.

 

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