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Carved Turns MA

post #1 of 9
Thread Starter 

Hello everyone!!


This is my first M&A. As I am quite new to the forum, just say that I started skiing when I was 6 and practiced it around 6 days per season until 14, but then dropped it until 5 years ago. Since then I have enjoyed every day I've been in the mountains (around 10 days each season), but as most of us, I also have a focus on continuous improvement.


I hope that this short video gives some clues on how to continue developing my ski!


Ah, some details regarding equipment, skis in the first scene are Salomon Crossmax, in the rest Fischer RC SC.



Thank you for your feedback!!

post #2 of 9

Hi, Ill give you some point to think about:

 - Try to focus on your outside ski and try to maintain pressure and balance over that when carving

 - Try to get your hip to be in the same direction as the skies

 - Try to raise your upper body and get a little more centralized position over your skies

 - Try to "steer" with you inside knee in the initiation of the turn


I can see a couple of "issues" here, you tend to get a bit A-frame in your position and that will mean that you will get support from a flat inner ski, instead of a edged inner-ski.

Then you get a little rotated at the hips in the start of the turn, instead of being centered over your skies, this will lead to a back position "on your heels"

Then I see a upper body that "falls" forward instead of being upraised with a krum back

I'll see if I can get you some pics to show you what I mean

BR - anders

post #3 of 9

Have you had your alignment checked? You look a little knock kneed.

post #4 of 9

your skiing actually reminds me of my skiing from years back.  One main thing I notice is too aggressive of a move of the COM towards inside of turn at the start of the turn.  This causes most of the weight to be on the inside ski at the start of the turn and then the outside ski runs out on you.  This is more obvious with your left turns (right leg runs out).  Focus on initiating turn with more pressure on the outside ski.


you're also slouching your back.  This means you're getting your body forward but your hips are back and your shoulders are hunched.  Instead, try to force your hips forward a bit more and straighten the back.  So imagine slouching on the couch vs. sitting up straight on a chair with a straight back and shoulders raised.  This will help a bit with that A-frame too because it helps push the inside knee more towards in the inside.  When in a slouched position, the inside knee has a tendency to point outwards.  It also helps you extend your outside leg better so that there's less knee angulation.


Finally, you're lacking comfort having your inside ski on the outside edge.  Because of this, the inside ski ends up right beneath your body instead of outside.  A great drill is to work on one-legged skiing turning in both directions. 


Another good drill to get used to committing to the outside ski during a turn is to lift the inside ski and carve only on the outside ski.  You'll realize immediately how much you are relying on that inside ski for balance.

post #5 of 9

You look a bit hunched back and seem to be a bit too much in the back seat.  Bringing the hands up and out should help.  Also, work on increasing the angulation of your inside ski to match angles with your outside.  Other than that, pretty good (pretty calm upper body, pretty good edge angles, etc.)


To help with your problem, try thinking about moving your COM into the next turn.

post #6 of 9
Thread Starter 

Hey, thank you all for your feedback. Just wanted to comment that during those days I was trying to enhance the use of the interior ski, as I usually ski almost 100% on the outside and when I am off-groomed this causes me a lot of balance problems (I don't have problems skiing only in the outside ski, but doing turns with the inside ski only is a different story...). However, it seems that I am not approaching quite well the pressure in the interior ski, as your comments are absolutely right, it is right behind my body, not tipped as it should be. Do you think that this is related with a wrong projection of the hip at the start of the turns? Also, in the video is hard to notice, but I tend to have problems controlling the speed when carving...



Eastskier44, you mention that I should think about moving my COM into the next turn, but I don't know exactly how to visualize this taking into account the feedback provided by majortato: "I notice is too aggressive of a move of the COM towards inside of turn at the start of the turn". Also, I think that I may need some clarification about being rotated at the hips and how could this help to reach a more centered position.


Thank you again for your feedback!!!!

post #7 of 9
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Originally Posted by TheRusty View Post

Have you had your alignment checked? You look a little knock kneed.

TheRusty, your comment is extremely interesting as I am aware of some problems regarding alignment. You may check this thread that I started 2 weeks ago:


Thank you again!

post #8 of 9

when carving clean turns, speed is controlled through choice of line, not the turn.  If you want to make turns but still slow down a bit, try to brush the top half of the turn and carve the bottom half.


Project your hips inside and down the hill at the start of the turn.  Imagine that if you're finishing your turns so that your skis are almost 90 degrees perpendicular to the fall line, then that would mean your hips will move downhill from your skis.  This causes what some refer to as an "upside-down" feeling.  It's really weird and requires a lot of trust.  Basically you have to trust that your edges will grip and swing around and catch you from falling over.


When I say too aggressive of a move of your COM to inside, what I'm referring to is you are trying to hurry the movement too much and its too sudden.  The result is pressure ends up on inside ski and loss of pressure on the outside ski so it runs away from you.  Think if you're just standing there and someone pushes you from the right suddenly...what leg do you end up on to stay up?  probably the left leg.  This is exactly what's happening when you start a turn except the "push" is caused by yourself.  Make sure that the reason you're moving the COM to the inside to is stay balanced over the skis.  Centrifugal force (non-inertial frame of reference) pushes your body towards the outside of the turn.  The move of the COM inside is to counter this effect to stay balanced over the skis...otherwise you'd fall to the outside of the turn.  This force is constantly changing throughout a dynamic carved turn.  The right amount to move your COM in and how fast you do it is actually pretty difficult takes a long long time to get good at...and even then, there's always room for improvement.  It gets increasingly more difficult when making very aggressive high speed turns.  You will see WC skiers making similar mistakes in their race runs.  They usually recover fairly quickly though and little is helps that these guys can carve better on the inside ski than you and I can hope to on our outside skis. 

post #9 of 9
Originally Posted by Nach View Post

TheRusty, your comment is extremely interesting as I am aware of some problems regarding alignment. You may check this thread that I started 2 weeks ago:


Thank you again!

Well, there you go. Work on your alignment first, then your skiing.

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