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Hi.  Im looking for advice on some new skis.  Im 5'8" or 5'9" and about 140 lbs.  Im an advanced intermediate to advanced skier, although this is improving rapidly now that I live in Vermont.  I ski Jay Peak almost every weekend and when I'm there I pretty much only ski trees and hike to find powder.  However if I ski with my family or go anywhere else I ski a lot of groomers and even take a few laps in the park once in a while (10-20% of the time when Im on groomers, but Im not doing big enough stuff to warrant a park ski).  

 

Im looking for advice on a twin tip ski that will be really quick in the trees and handle well in the powder but still be able to ski groomers well.  Im east coast so I'm not looking for a super wide ski (preferably in the 100ish range. wary to go larger).  I am on a college budget so I'm hoping to buy a 2011 model for cheap rather then wait and buy a 2012.  

 

Ive been considering the Rossignol S3, Salomon Shogun, Line Blend, and Line Prophet 100 (although I wouldn't mind a little rocker in the tip/tail).  Any help would be greatly appreciated.  Feel free to mention other skis as well.  Thank you.

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Originally Posted by cal22 View Post

Hi.  Im looking for advice on some new skis.  Im 5'8" or 5'9" and about 140 lbs.  Im an advanced intermediate to advanced skier, although this is improving rapidly now that I live in Vermont.  I ski Jay Peak almost every weekend and when I'm there I pretty much only ski trees and hike to find powder.  However if I ski with my family or go anywhere else I ski a lot of groomers and even take a few laps in the park once in a while (10-20% of the time when Im on groomers, but Im not doing big enough stuff to warrant a park ski).  

 

Im looking for advice on a twin tip ski that will be really quick in the trees and handle well in the powder but still be able to ski groomers well.  Im east coast so I'm not looking for a super wide ski (preferably in the 100ish range. wary to go larger).  I am on a college budget so I'm hoping to buy a 2011 model for cheap rather then wait and buy a 2012.  

 

Ive been considering the Rossignol S3, Salomon Shogun, Line Blend, and Line Prophet 100 (although I wouldn't mind a little rocker in the tip/tail).  Any help would be greatly appreciated.  Feel free to mention other skis as well.  Thank you.



Blizzard "the one"

Rossi S3

Dynstar Slicer

The Shogun and blend will work will but rocker is nice, the P100 is really not what you are looking for. IMO the Blizzard and dynstar have better rocker profile than the S3.

 

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From your description of the type of skiing you like to do I'll also 2nd the Blizzard ONE.  Very versatile ski, quick for turns in the trees and hold well enough on the groomed to get you back to the lift. I enjoy the S3 in powder with more open spaces but in the length I have it in (186cm) I don't like it as much as the ONE ( mine is the 177cm)  for tight tree skiing. I have a Line Prophet 90 I find that good for groomers, ok for trees. Bush is right on with his suggestions, take his advice.

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From your description of the type of skiing you like to do I'll also 2nd the Blizzard ONE.  Very versatile ski, quick for turns in the trees and hold well enough on the groomed to get you back to the lift. I enjoy the S3 in powder with more open spaces but in the length I have it in (186cm) I don't like it as much as the ONE ( mine is the 177cm)  for tight tree skiing. I have a Line Prophet 90 I find that good for groomers, ok for trees. Bush is right on with his suggestions, take his advice.

Just curious why you would own both the ONE and an S3?  Aren't they very similar?  If strictly for a powder ski, wouln't something wider be better?

 

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My son tried out my S3 one day and was having fun so I decided to get him a pair of rocker twin tips and went with the ONE to try it based on BWPA recomonadtions and seeing him ski it. I'm glad my son and I now have the same boot size. My son has used the ONE a bit but he mostly likes snowboarding so I have been playing on the ONE and I like it better overall than the S3, except in open powder runs. The ONE is a very good tree ski. I think 98mm underfoot is good enough on east coast for a powder ski but then again 2 years ago I thought a Watea 84 was a good powder ski, I imagine sometime in the near future I'll get something north of 110mm underfoot.

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 I imagine sometime in the near future I'll get something north of 110mm underfoot.

For Vermont trees? eek.gif I've found that the laws of physics kick in around 100 mm. But haven't tried Icelantic, so...
 

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thanks a bunch.  I did some research and I think Ill try 2 pick between the three you mentioned.  Unfortunately Ill probably have to buy without skiing them first.  My local shop has the S3 in 168 but the slicer or "the one" id have to buy online. That being said any of the three will be an improvement over the way too short, old, and skinny skis that Im using now.

 

So do you think you could possibly give more information regarding the differences between the three skis?  Do you notice any difference with how the one feels with the slider binding systems?  I would think that it would add extra weight and could possible be jittery or breakable?  Also, how would you compare the flexs, because everything ive read seems to say that the one and the slicer have softer flex than the s3, and I dont want to be afraid of washing out every time that I land a little backseat off of a jump or a small cliff.  Thanks a lot I really appreciate the input.

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For Vermont trees? eek.gif I've found that the laws of physics kick in around 100 mm. But haven't tried Icelantic, so...
 

Well I don't know. I was just showing the progression I have been on with skis in the last few years. The big thing I have found for me so far is length more than under foot has been the problem. My Wateas 84mm were 176, the ONE 98mm is 177 and the Prophet 90mm are 179, going up to the 186 in the S3 98mm has been a small problem for maneuverability in tight spaces.The width underfoot just helped with the float in or should I say on the powder. Both the ONE and the S3 ski short on groomers, bumps open spaces etc. But the ONE has the edge in quickness and short tight turn ability.The S3 in the 178? would probably be comparable to the ONE in maneuverability in the tightest of spaces I get into sometimes.
 

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thanks a bunch.  I did some research and I think Ill try 2 pick between the three you mentioned.  Unfortunately Ill probably have to buy without skiing them first.  My local shop has the S3 in 168 but the slicer or "the one" id have to buy online. That being said any of the three will be an improvement over the way too short, old, and skinny skis that Im using now.

 

So do you think you could possibly give more information regarding the differences between the three skis?  Do you notice any difference with how the one feels with the slider binding systems?  I would think that it would add extra weight and could possible be jittery or breakable?  Also, how would you compare the flexs, because everything ive read seems to say that the one and the slicer have softer flex than the s3, and I dont want to be afraid of washing out every time that I land a little backseat off of a jump or a small cliff.  Thanks a lot I really appreciate the input.

cal, I have never been on the slicer can't help you there. I think the ONE is stiffer than the S3 at least it feels like that on the groomers.The little "drops" (4-8') I do, they are not cliffs by any stretch of my imagination, I have not had any problems with either ski. I think the S3 is softer due to the extended tip/tail rocker with early rise but have not felt any launching effect from the tails on the ONE when landing. As far as the slider system you don't even notice it because it is set low into the ski. I have mine set about 2 holes towards the rear free ride biased and love the handling. I'm 6' 205lbs and ski pretty hard and not seeing any problem with jitteryness of the ski or any type of breakage problems with the slider. I think the ONE fits the bill for you.Definitely try it out
 

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For Vermont trees? eek.gif I've found that the laws of physics kick in around 100 mm. But haven't tried Icelantic, so...
 



sarcasms or do you truly dont know how good the snow can be in the tree here?

 

notice my recent video with my Katanas...

 

you really need to come to stowe sometime dude.

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Thanks a lot. I think I will probably lean towards the ONE but may buy one of the others if its a lot cheaper.  Would a 169 or 170 be too short for me if im 5'8" or 9" and pretty light (140lbs) or is that a good size?  Im a little wary about going anything above my head because I don't want to feel like I have to struggle in the trees.  I want to keep it fun.  Thanks.

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yeah go for the 170 you will have more fun with it in the trees

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Thanks a lot. I think I will probably lean towards the ONE but may buy one of the others if its a lot cheaper.  Would a 169 or 170 be too short for me if im 5'8" or 9" and pretty light (140lbs) or is that a good size?  Im a little wary about going anything above my head because I don't want to feel like I have to struggle in the trees.  I want to keep it fun.  Thanks.



170 should be great.

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Thanks a lot! does anyone have any opinions of a good binding I can put on these.   Im only asking cuz im looking for something thats under 200 and that will work well and not break on me or anything.  Maybe a last years model of something.  thanks

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