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Poll About Jackson Hole Mountain Resort

Poll Results: Has the controversy about the arrest of a man skinning uphill while inside the boundaries of the Jackson Hole Mountain Resort (JHMR) changed your views on coming to visit this ski area?

Poll expired: Mar 21, 2011  
  • 7% (6)
    Yes. I think this was an outrage and I am LESS LIKELY to ski at Jackson Hole in the future because of this incident.
  • 14% (12)
    Yes. I feel that JHMR was trying to promote the safety of their riders. I will be MORE LIKELY to ski at Jackson Hole in the future because of this incident.
  • 78% (67)
    No. This doesn't change my opinion of Jackson Hole one way or the other.
85 Total Votes  
post #1 of 29
Thread Starter 

Since the "Arrested While Skinning JHMR" thread has gotten so much traction, I thought I'd post a poll.  Some of the people who support the right of that man to skin uphill inside the ski resort's boundaries have suggested that they would cross Jackson Hole off their list of places they would visit after this incident.  Others have suggested the opposite.

 

I'm curious about how YOU feel, so I've put up a poll.   It's anonymous, so you can answer however you want.

 

A couple of caveats:

 

1.  The poll is flawed, of course.  I only gave you three answers to choose from, and I'm sure there are many of you who would vote for lots more creative choices if given the chance.

 

2. In the interest of full disclosure, I want to make sure that everyone understands that I have a vested commercial interest in hoping the public at large retains a good impression of Jackson Hole.  I sell real estate here, so anything I say about the place must be taken with a grain of salt.

 

3. I'm not looking for a whole lot of discussion in this thread, merely poll votes.  If you want to discuss this adventure, let's keep that in the main thread that will perhaps live forever.

 

4. This is a tricky poll.  Please note that there are two different "Yes" answers, but they have completely different meanings.

post #2 of 29

Ill come ski with you Bob if you buy me a lift ticket!!

post #3 of 29

I really couldn't care less about this whole thing.  I'd still love to ski JH someday.

post #4 of 29

I don't care one way or the other, but the other thread was definitely entertaining.  Though I did have to explain to my 10 year old son (as he looked over my shoulder) what "skinning" was and "what the f*ck it has to do with the American Revolution."

post #5 of 29

I answered, " I feel that JHMR was trying to promote the safety...... "

 

Reason JHMR set a rule for safety.    The JH traverses are not easy to navigate and can be tricky.  My friend broke his fibula on a JH traverse.  If folks were skinning up on a JH traverse it would definitely not be safe. Then you got the whole Avalanche control work safety issue.   In my opinion no skinning  is a good rule that makes sense at JHMR. 

 

The ski patrollers and the Sheriff  were just doing their job.  Offering the Doctor a free lift ticket I thought was rather nice of them.  I am sure the ski patrollers and the Sheriff were trying everything to avoid a confrontation. 

 

As for going back to JH next year.   Sure why not.  I spent the last 9 years skiing 7 to 10 days each year at JH.  I might as well make it number 10.  biggrin.gif

post #6 of 29

I said it didn't change my opinion.  But to clarify, it looks like the poll is adressing JHMRs handling of the situation, given their policy of no uphill travel.  How they handled it seemed reasonable to me, and doesn't affect my interest in skiing here.

 

OTOH, if the issue is the policy itself; whether uphill travel should be allowed, then my answer would change.  I would be more likely to ski somehwere that restricts uphill travel during the ski day.

post #7 of 29

Let's see...... It's their field, Their ball, and their multi-million dollar investment.

 

When I was up there a few weeks ago. I had no problems abiding by their rules. Maybe it's because I had real parents and grandparents.

 

If you don't like it and find their requirements to restrictive. You can go elsewhere.

 

This was my first time there. I have always dreamed of going to JH since hearing about it back in the late 70s.

 

I respect it, and I will be back. It is like no other place that I have skied at. And we had a blast there.

 

I envy you Bob.

post #8 of 29

It's a tough and hard core ski area. Of course I'd kill to get there.

post #9 of 29

I was at Jackson Hole 2/5-10, and my only complaints are that there wasn't much fresh snow and I never met Bob Peters

post #10 of 29

I didn't read that whole long arrested thread, but they might want to check Mr. Fleck for dementia.  Seriously.

post #11 of 29

I'm sending back my belt buckle

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post #12 of 29

Rookie!  I got my 1 million vertical feet belt buckle the day after the Doctor got arrested.   I am keeping my buckle.  biggrin.gif

 

I agree with a previous post about dementia..  The doctor should be watched closely by his family for possible medical problems. Medical Doctors, RNs, and other medical professionals make the worst patients.   I had an MD at a concert last year that was unconscious for a few minutes before my arrival with the ambulance.  The MD kept refusing medical treatment and transport to a hospital.  It took me, another paramedic, and the doctor's spouse  15 minutes to convince the good Doctor to go to the hospital.  Medial professionals can be extremely difficult. 

post #13 of 29

I can't understand why a very minor,single event, involving an individual skier (or in this case a trespasser), would make someone change their mind about JH. Agree or disagree with the policy, but, the ski patrol and the on-site management are required to enforce policy. That management team and it's employees has a great responsibility to keep a treacherous mountain safe for skiers everyday. That's how I will judge them and I will return.

 

ps - I voted the incident did not change my mind.

 

ps - I will always be grateful to the JH ski patrol for the professionalism they demonstrated getting me to medical facility following a fall. Just thinking out loud, but, if the skier had been hit and needed the services of the patrol, I'm pondering  if he would have told them to "go to He##" and got himself off the mountain.

post #14 of 29

I've had a low opinion of JHMR ever since they kicked Doug Coombs off the mountain and then begged him to come back after he became the great one.

post #15 of 29



 

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Originally Posted by Living Proof View Post

I can't understand why a very minor,single event, involving an individual skier (or in this case a trespasser), would make someone change their mind about JH. Agree or disagree with the policy, but, the ski patrol and the on-site management are required to enforce policy.

+1 

post #16 of 29

I think it amounts to more comic theater to be added to the history along with the  litany of DR. No/Doug Coombs and other such episodes. It  reminds us that JHMR is a unique place with challenging safety and management issues and that there will likely always be some disagreement over these things among skiers.

post #17 of 29
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Originally Posted by telerod15 View Post

I'm sending back my belt buckle

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Bring that to BK, I'll return it for you personallydevil.gif
 

post #18 of 29
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Originally Posted by jaobrien6 View Post

I really couldn't care less



I don't care about the OP subject at all, but I'm thrilled to see someone who COULDN'T care less rather than could care less.  There is hope.

post #19 of 29


 

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Originally Posted by Posaune View Post





I don't care about the OP subject at all, but I'm thrilled to see someone who COULDN'T care less rather than could care less.  There is hope.

I bet the native Bostonian "so didn't I" would drive you crazy.
 

post #20 of 29

Don't care.

post #21 of 29
Thread Starter 

Okay, folks... if you didn't vote early, at least you can vote late.

 

For those of you who don't know it already, JHMR has announced that they will not press charges in this situation.  The whole thing is over as far as the resort is concerned, but there has been no change in the policy.  Uphill travel within the resort boundaries is still prohibited.

post #22 of 29

The one fact that stays with me is they dealt with the guy for two hours straight.  I answered C, though on moral support grounds I'd trend towards B.  I'd just like to say that, given their 2 hours of restraint and empathy, I'd also hate to go to a sad movie with at least 5 or so members of Jackson's patrol.

 

NTTIAWWT.  Just sayin'.

post #23 of 29



 

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Originally Posted by catskills View Post

. Medical Doctors, RNs, and other medical professionals make the worst patients..........  Medial professionals can be extremely difficult. 


What's a medial professional?  :)  I wonder why this is the case, as I've heard this from my wife (an RD by the way)?  Is there a parallel in the ski world?  Do ski patrollers make the worst patients too?  Do free-skiing lifties get cranky if the on-duty lifty wacks them with the chair?  Are pro boot fitters the pickiest boot buyers themselves?
 

post #24 of 29

I wlll happily return to JH again..

post #25 of 29

I have never been, but this would make me more likely to go than less.  Rules are rules for a reason (most of the time) and if safety is involved they should be strictly enforced.  My hats off to a ski resort with the hutzpa to do it.

post #26 of 29
Thread Starter 

Well, based on the results of this admittedly flawed and completely unscientific poll, it would seem that JHMR is more likely to attract new skiers than to lose new skiers after the action they took.

 

I find that rather interesting.

post #27 of 29
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bob Peters View Post

Well, based on the results of this admittedly flawed and completely unscientific poll, it would seem that JHMR is more likely to attract new skiers than to lose new skiers after the action they took.

 

I find that rather interesting.



I find it rather sad......   nonono2.gif

 

 

post #28 of 29

I find your attitude and that of the people who vigorously defended Dr. Fleck inexplicable.
 

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Originally Posted by Rossi Smash View Post





I find it rather sad......   nonono2.gif

 

 

post #29 of 29
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Originally Posted by tetonpwdrjunkie View Post

I find your attitude and that of the people who vigorously defended Dr. Fleck inexplicable.
 


 



I'm OK with that.....

 

 

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