Originally Posted by skimalibu
This is something I have been thinking about also. Since the Fischer Vacuum System was brought out and publicized.
Boot design does seem to be lagging behind in developments. The industry has seen changes over the years, single buckles, rear entry etc. I think first you should look back to look forward. Hansons, Scott, Lange and others. The boot liners have recently taken a big click forward from the old crappy dish rags of the past. With all the changes and deviations we have seen over the years in ski boots. All the manufactures seem to come back to the old ski boot standard eventually. That being front entry, four buckle, two or three piece shell boot.
I'm not sure lagging is really descriptive. Lots has been tried. much has been found lacking.
Excellent point about 'History'! as so often noted - ignoring history means you're doomed to repeat it...
Originally Posted by ILOJ
Sounds like a great project - best of luck!
First off - A properly designed ski boot should not require a 'bootfitter' to grind / punch, or otherwise alter a store bought boot in order for it to perform as it should. How many people take any other type of athletic shoe in for custom modifications ? Maybe if you're a world cup racer, but for the average skier ???
That being said, what is the design criteria for a ski boot:
- ability to support the foot, ankle, shin firmly
- prevent the foot from moving around inside the boot
- transfer movement / pressure directly from the foot to the ski
- provide "feel" or feedback from the snow/ski interface or dampen shock and vibration - depending on preference or type of skiing
- comfort + warmth
just a few of my toughts, any others ?
at first thought having to go thru all these machinations and mods seems crazy, but when you think of alpine/downhill skiing, there's hardly anything like it for Biometric and Kinesiological requirements. We are talkin a 4 component system, consisting of unrelated components, expected to work precisely and comfortably together Skier/Boot/Binding/Ski, all under extreme forces in a hugely varying environment. piece O cake...
Originally Posted by alexzn
A ski boot looks like it looks now for a reason- my advice would be to look at the biomechanics of skiing and see where the current design has shortcomings.
I'll add one other area worth investigating...
many of us, who have been sliding for some yrs, HAVE or ARE investigating (or have already made a move to ) AT type equipment, both to expand the ski experience and to get the advantages of AT design stuff. I'm personally in a quandary as to direction because of the fischer 'vacum' idea. Initially on my re-entry last year, after some investigation, I had planned to do stop-gap purchasing of alpine gear to get me back on skis with the intent to 'traverse' to AT gear within the next 2 yrs. AT gear is now fully up to the task of pure Alpine skiing, with many of the advantages of walking/hiking and greater mobility in the winter environment.
I personally think that there's a huge opportunity for areas to merge (as smartphone and notebook technology is...) between pure upper end non-race alpine and AT.
I'm sure there are many Epic members who already have made the switch to AT stuff... would be good to hear from them...
Might suggest you look into companies not in the pure Downhill envelope like Scarpa, Dynafit, Lowa, Black Diamond, etc for the more ideas.