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RC4 Progressor (the original) vs. new Progressor 9+ and 10+; has anyone compared these?

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I presently own the original RC4 Progressor, 2008 model, 175 length.  I am very curious if anyone has compared the original Progressor to the new P-9. In particular, I would really like to know if the new Flowflex plate makes much difference to how the ski performs? If so, in what way?

 

Basically I am looking to replace my Progressors with a ski that is more compliant at slower speeds and in broken snow and crud.  While I absolutely love the Progressors as a high speed groomer ski (smooth, stable, unshakable, agile), they seem to only come alive at higher speeds.  I just don't ski like that all the time, and would like something more versatile.  At slower speeds, I don't find them playful and agile enough, and are just too stiff to be much fun.

 

The flex at tip and tail seems not to be overly stiff, but there is very little flex under the binding plate.  These have the bindings mounted on a thick aluminum Flowflex plate.  In the following year, this ski was renamed the Progressor 9+ and was given a new binding plate with a flexible joint in the center, while the sidecut and double Ti layup remained the same.  

 

I briefly skied the P-9 last year, and it felt like a very different ski to mine.  But I didn't get enough time on them to really compare.  That, and they had a rental binding....   Despite that, the differences were enough to make me think that the new Flowflex plate makes the ski much more compliant underfoot.  They felt lighter, more snappy at slower speeds; easier to turn in soft broken snow, more forgiving overall.  They were certainly just as stable and smooth at speed.  Therefore I am eying the aluminum plate on my skis with suspicion now, as being the culprit. 

 

Another ski that is looking really interesting to me is the new Progressor 10. It seems to have only one layer of metal, at 0.5mm, whereas the current P-9 and my RC4 have two layers at 0.8mm and 0.5mm.  So far the reviews on these have been excellent.  Question is, will they be solid enough to hold my size and weight.....  6'2", 220 lbs.....esp. at higher speeds? How do they compare to the P-9?

 

It would be great to hear from someone who is familiar with the original Progressor and/or the new P-9 and P-10.  Many thanks in advance! Looking forward to hearing back.....

 

 

 

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Unfortunately, I haven't skiied the RC4 Progressor, but I have skiied the Progressor 9+ (2009/10 model) and the Progressor 9+ & Progressor 10+ (2010/11 models).  The 09/10 Progressor 9+ (I also skiied it in a 175cm - I am 6'1" - #230), is a great hard snow/groomer ski, any turn radius, any speed, just a blast to ski, sounds like it is quite a bit easier going, with more range than the RC4 Progressor. 

 

The 2010/11 Progressor 9+ is lighter in weight than it's predecessors (I think due to the Flowflex 2 plate) and the ski also becomes a little livelier and more "race" like, and maybe not quite as forgiving.  The Progressor 10+ feels more damp, with a little more range than the 10/11 P9.  The Progressor 10+ handles any radius of turn, and has a fairly high speed limit, but maybe not quite the high end of the 10/11 P9, but is a little more compliant at slower speeds.   

 

FWIW, this whole series gets changed up for next year. The shapes and constructions are different (P800 - 74mm waist - no metal; P900 75mm waist, wood/metal laminate; & P1000 , 78mm waist, wood/metal/carbon laminate).  I will be skiing them later this week, pretty excited about them, and I will report back after.

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Thanks Coolhand....that's great feedback, and given that we're about the same size, all the more relevant.  icon14.gif

 

Very interesting comments about how the P-10 behaves.  Sounds like just what I am looking for.  I'm sure that one less layer of metal has a lot to do with it.  Curious if tweaking the Tune-It knob on the Flowflex plate of the P-10 would make any difference to the upper speed limit? I don't suppose you tried it at different settings?

 

Even last year's model P-9 sounds like it would fit the bill quite nicely, and your notes sound very similar to what I noticed when I skied that version last spring -- incredibly stable and smooth at high speed, completely unshakable; yet light agile and easy to turn and throw around at slow speed, even in soft spring snow.  Remarkable performance for a dual-Ti-layer laminate ski.

 

And YES! Please do report back about how the new series performs.  A P1000 with a 78mm waist would be an extremely versatile and fun ski, as long as it retains the character that the present Progressor line has.  Looking forward to your report....

 

Cheers!

 

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Unfortunately, I haven't skiied the RC4 Progressor, but I have skiied the Progressor 9+ (2009/10 model) and the Progressor 9+ & Progressor 10+ (2010/11 models).  The 09/10 Progressor 9+ (I also skiied it in a 175cm - I am 6'1" - #230), is a great hard snow/groomer ski, any turn radius, any speed, just a blast to ski, sounds like it is quite a bit easier going, with more range than the RC4 Progressor. 

 

The 2010/11 Progressor 9+ is lighter in weight than it's predecessors (I think due to the Flowflex 2 plate) and the ski also becomes a little livelier and more "race" like, and maybe not quite as forgiving.  The Progressor 10+ feels more damp, with a little more range than the 10/11 P9.  The Progressor 10+ handles any radius of turn, and has a fairly high speed limit, but maybe not quite the high end of the 10/11 P9, but is a little more compliant at slower speeds.   

 

FWIW, this whole series gets changed up for next year. The shapes and constructions are different (P800 - 74mm waist - no metal; P900 75mm waist, wood/metal laminate; & P1000 , 78mm waist, wood/metal/carbon laminate).  I will be skiing them later this week, pretty excited about them, and I will report back after.

 

Really interested in hearing about how the 2012's compare to this year's models.  I just demo'd the P9+ and I'm really impressed with it.  I may try to demo the 8 or 10 but if I can't then I'm hoping to buy the P9.  If I'm not able to get them soon then I may be forced to wait for the new version.
 

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As far as I know, the only difference between the original Progressor 9 and the current 9+ is the plate. The 10+ is a whole different animal; new construction (similar to the Motive layup, no metal but has more carbon), softer flex, tighter turning and feeling ski.  I found the 9 and 9+ to be great at GS type speeds in the 175cm, good in bumps, and have wicked edge hold. The new 10+ is even better in bumps, a tighter feeling ski, more forgiving, but has less top end than the 9+, but only slightly less.  You could run a masters GS on the old 9+, while the 10+ really is more of a very fun, all-mountain carver.  Both are great skis; no doubt Fischer is making some of the best skis in this category.

 

scott

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Thanks Scott.  The P-10 sounds like a really great ski....like an amped-up P-8.  I thought it had a single layer of metal, vs. two layers in the P-9? I could be wrong.....seem to remember something about that.  Still, I would love to demo this one.  Seems like a ton of fun, and more versatile than the P-9.

 

I am still really puzzled as to why the 09/10 P-9 that I tried last year felt so different from my '08 Progressors? Same sidecut, same layup, same plate, same length, same tune (believe me, I asked!). 

 

But.....different binding..... A-ha! Could it be the binding stand height? The 09/10 P-9s that I skied had an XTR13 demo binding, which, according to the Fischer tech manual, has about 1 cm more stand height than my Z13 Flowflex, and possibly more ramp angle.  Could this make that much difference to agility and slow speed handling?

 

SN

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Update:  I skied the 2010 Progressor 9 again yesterday, the exact same skis that I had demoed last year, this time for a whole day.  And, I was able to compare them side-by-side with my '08 RC4 Progressors.  Bottom line, these skis are quite different, despite having the same sidecut and layup, and ostensibly being the identical ski.  The 2010's are significantly softer flexing -- not a lot, but enough to make a huge difference in how they feel on the hill.  I was able to easily bend these and make them work at slower speeds and in soft spring pushed around snow.  High speed smoothness stability was all there, thank goodness, and I felt absolutely no loss in top end performance.  Perhaps a titch less rock-solid and stable than the '08 model, but smoother, more able to absorb rough or crusty surfaces.  Edge grip was phenomenal, the best I've ever experienced, and better than my '08s.  Although they weigh the same, the 2010's felt much lighter, more agile and snappy underfoot, much quicker and more precise in short turns.

 

I have not skied the 2011 P-9, so can't comment on that version, but from what Coolhand says about them, I would expect them to be quite different from the '08 version as well.

 

Hope this is useful for any owners of the '08 RC4 Progressor, who love the stability and smoothness of this ski at high speed, but are perhaps looking for something more versatile at slower speeds, softer snow, and quicker in short turns, but with no loss of high speed performance.  The newer versions are quite different in character, and in my opinion, a significant improvement in every way over the '08's.  Highly recommended. 

 

BTW, I bought the 2010 P-9's  I skied on yesterday, and brought them home.  smile.gif  Mint shape, skied as demos maybe 3 days in total, at a price I couldn't refuse... wink.gif  Might want to swap out the XTR13 Pro binding, however, and get a proper Flowflex/Freeflex on there.....if anyone knows where I can get a good deal on a set of these, post back here or send a PM....thanks!

 

 

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