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Fore/aft Q

post #1 of 9
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I was caught on video this weekend and as I passed the camera I got an updated frame capture of my fore/aft stance in my new Dalbello boots. Im on GS skis.


TDK6 2011 Stance 001.jpg


Any input much appreciated. On a side note, in the races I never had any problems with getting in the back seat.

post #2 of 9

At what point in the turn are you? I'm guessing transition, but without some kind of ocntext the single image is not very helpful at evaluating your fore/aft balance. Really the important part of the turn is when the skis edges are engaged - where are you in the fore/aft plane at that point in the turn?

post #3 of 9
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Thanks for your feedback Helluva. The frame is from the transition. I was on a flat part just cruising by the camera. How about the forward lean on my boots?

post #4 of 9
Interesting photo. Context is everything when analyzing for appropriateness but I'll note some observations anyway.

The position of the knees in relation to the boot shells seems to show a bit of forward leverage against the tongues. This is supported by how the pant-leg is being levered upward off the back of the boot cuff. Since your overall CM appears to be directly over your toes (on a line perpendicular to the skis) I'm guessing you're probably resting just a bit on the tongues of the boots to achieve that position?

Looking at the trees in the background I'd say it's a very level bit of terrain so a large acceleration is unlikely at that moment. Looks like a perfectly reasonable position to be in with respect to F/A Balance.

When you lever forward, do the boot cuffs rotate forward at the hinge points or do the tongues simply get crushed with space developing at the back of the cuff? Just curious.

post #5 of 9

I don't see anything in this photo that jumps out as troublesome. I know you are very tall and have very big feet, so your fore/aft alignment setup is going to be very different from someone who is my size. Without seeing you ski some turns in the new boots it is tough to say, but from this image it looks fine as you don't appear to be ankle locked from the forward cuff lean (in fact you may be able to go with slightly more lift under the toe, but gievn your height a tiny change can make a huge difference in the hips/feet relationship). Referencing my comment above, I'd be curious to see what your fore/aft balance looks like when the edges are engaged - and especially when they are pressured. In transition (especially the type you demonstrate here), there is at least some amount of unweighting happening from releasing the old turn, so the way I look at this image is: "This is good, but where do you go from here?"

post #6 of 9

Were you buckled up tight?

post #7 of 9

What he said.  What you're doing fore aft...and I'm using the editorial "we" here...is NOT a static position, it is a movement.  Yes, ya ought to pretty much always have some pressure against the tongue of the boot, but it's not the case that you should always be pressing way forward.  If you look at a ski, a carved turn is best done by following the curve of the ski from front to back. That is, at initiation, you press the shovel, in the middle of the turn, press the middle, at the end of the turn, press the tail.  It actually turns out that you can do all this good stuff by articulating the ankle (providing your boots aren't wound down too tight) and subtly moving the feet forward and back to adjust your fore/aft pressure distribution.  Rather than thinking about how much or how little you're pressing against the boot tongue, I think it's a whole more more instructive to think about standing predominately on the ball of your foot at turn initiation, at the front part of the arch in the middle of the turn, and at the back of the arch at turn completion.  And maybe it's just me, but it looks like you've got more forward lean in your boots than you need...



Originally Posted by tdk6 View Post

Thanks for your feedback Helluva. The frame is from the transition. I was on a flat part just cruising by the camera. How about the forward lean on my boots?

post #8 of 9
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Thank you all for your input here. Sorry I havent replied earlier but I have given all your postings som serious thinking. Here is a frame capture from a WC skier skiing by the camera. The pitch of the slope is more than what I had and he is deffinetly turning more than me. But we can get a rough estimate of his forward lean in his boots and his overall forward orientation.



Here is me again:


TDK6 2011 Stance 001.jpg


Here are some more photos of me when I was using the old linears before I had new linears foamed:






post #9 of 9

Looks pretty good to me, just make sure the shins aren't pressing hard against the boot, they should be touching, but not pressed hard in.

If you want an exercise for when turning, and one that will automatically adjust you both fore/aft and laterally, get someone to show you the double pole drag. If this exercise is done properly, it puts you in the correct skiing stance for the gradient of slope you are on.

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