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Dynastar PX 12 Lifter bindings on Sultan 85 or Salomon Lords?

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Thread Starter 

I'm considering purchasing either the Sultan 85 or Salomon Lords (or possibly the Line Prophet 90) as an all-mountain ski (I ski Tahoe, L7 skier, 70% on-piste).

 

I have a pair of new Dynastar PX 12 Lifter Wide ski bindings I'd purchased off tramdock last year, any thoughts re: how well these would mate up with the above skis?  thanks!

post #2 of 10
They would do just great with any of the above, as long as you get flat sultans and not fluid ones (fluid is dynastar's integrated binding system). The sultans are available either flat or fluid.
post #3 of 10
Thread Starter 

great, thank you!

post #4 of 10

I have the PX12 lifter mounted on a Legend 8k, the predecessor to the sultan. I ended up removing the rear lifter plate to get a more neutral stance. The high binding delta was fine for hard snow carving but not great for variable and softer snow when you need to keep tipds from diving. I think it also pushed me into the backseat a bit to compensate. Something worth thinking about when you get them mounted. If you let the shop know they can easily mount it without the plate, but make sure they have shorter screws on hand.

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I have some PX 12 lifter mediums (90 mm brake) mounted on Watea 84s and also have PX 12 fluids on some Contacts.  I really like the hold you get from this binding and have found that I can run a slightly lower DIN than I have with some other bindings.

 

I also own, but have not mounted the same PX 12 lifter wides from tramdock.  When researching the PX lifters, I knew I wanted a low ramp angle and thought the delta was 2 or 3 mm.  After seeing aschick's post, I just measured the mediums on my 84s and it looks to be 4 mm- I have a big foot and have not noticed the difference (but have only been on the Wateas twice to date).

 

I think the lifter adds 6 mm (a quick check says 6.5 on 1 site)- this means you would have a slightly negative delta if you took the toe lifter out, which might feel worse than 4 mm delta.  Unless you know you want no ramp, I would tend to mount them as is first.

post #6 of 10
Thread Starter 

one of the things I've been trying to work on is my stance, I tend to not lean forward enough (resulting, among other things, in a bit of front thigh burn after 1/2 day of skiing!) ... so maybe the addition of the lifter at the rear will help me correct this?

post #7 of 10

According to someone's calculation (noodler?) removal of the rear lifter leaves you with -1 delta. I will measure with my calipers at some point.  That's pretty close to neutral. My boot is set up with a good bit of lift under the heel. Again, just from my own experience I find that I can really modulate the downward pressure on the ski with better range of ankle flex. Previously I found I was always driving the tips and leaning back more. OTOH, I have not had an on ski stance analysis done before and after, so I can't claim how this affects my stance beyond my own impression. The best thing would be to actually find two sets of screws so you can try both.
 

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Originally Posted by MEfree30 View Post

I have some PX 12 lifter mediums (90 mm brake) mounted on Watea 84s and also have PX 12 fluids on some Contacts.  I really like the hold you get from this binding and have found that I can run a slightly lower DIN than I have with some other bindings.

 

I also own, but have not mounted the same PX 12 lifter wides from tramdock.  When researching the PX lifters, I knew I wanted a low ramp angle and thought the delta was 2 or 3 mm.  After seeing aschick's post, I just measured the mediums on my 84s and it looks to be 4 mm- I have a big foot and have not noticed the difference (but have only been on the Wateas twice to date).

 

I think the lifter adds 6 mm (a quick check says 6.5 on 1 site)- this means you would have a slightly negative delta if you took the toe lifter out, which might feel worse than 4 mm delta.  Unless you know you want no ramp, I would tend to mount them as is first.

post #8 of 10

Just a recommendation, don't do anything by Salomon... a friend of mine had is Lords bindings rip out 10 min before a comp + they have a bad history of de-laminating. I would highly recomend the lines...

post #9 of 10
Thread Starter 

Thanks for the suggestions, ended up with a pair of Sultan 85s 172 (via @dawgcatching) and Look PX12 Jib bindings - get them tomorrow, jazzed to give them a go on the mountain!

post #10 of 10

I just measured my delta and from topsheet to sole I get -.27mm delta which his pretty darn close to neutral.

 

Edit: Corrected for measuring with wrong units

 

The delta on my wife's fluid binding (saphir 110) is ~2.5


Edited by aschick - 2/16/11 at 4:00pm
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