Originally Posted by Matter
I don't really want to start a discussion about what makes an everyday ski vs what doesn't, BUT, I have a pair of 177 724 Pros, 183 Mantras, and yet I still reach for my Katanas every day now. I prefer the Katanas in steeps, crud and bumps.
Matter, I don't think we're in disagreement. In your quiver, I'd also prefer the Katanas in steeps and crud. At ABasin/Breck/Loveland, where there aren't tons of tree stashes (for my BGs), I'm on the steeps and crud wearing my im103s or El Dictators (depends on if I want tip rocker for the day) in seek-and-destroy mode.
I bring the 724 Pros out when steeps and crud are just a refrozen mess, when the most fun runs are hardpack and bumps. In these conditions, something that is quicker edge-to-edge, with a narrow waist that can slither (zipper) through the hard bumps, and creates less torque on your ankles at high edge angles is a lot more fun. In these conditions, I'd much rather be on the 724 Pros than the Katanas, and, to a lesser extent, I'd much rather be on Katanas than JJs/S7s/BGs.
I see the 5-point sidecut skis as highly-maneuverable powder skis that don't have the drawbacks of R/R on traverses, chop, runouts and cat-tracks. They're not really a good everyday ski, nor are they really designed with that in mind (as you found out). In my opinion, they're a replacement for the R/R ski, for people that don't like the drawbacks of an R/R ski. For some ski areas, or skiing styles, the 5-point sidecut ski doesn't make sense, since you don't need/want the extra maneuverability.
Quiver expansion, for people living out west, should probably be:
Everyday wide/subtle rocker ski -> powder specialty ski (i.e. 5-point sidecut ski) -> hard snow carver and/or bump ski
This is essentially my quiver, but with the 'everyday wide ski' split into two skis: 183 im103s and 194 El Dictators, which I choose depending on soft snow depth (%chance of tip auger). I also have 183 old-school Gotamas, but those are powder rock skis for early/late season.
Originally Posted by allan o'neil
If you want a cross between a GS Carver and a Mogul ski I would strongly suggest the Fischer Motive 84. Of course I do not know just how fast you ski, but it is great in bumps and holds really well on hard snow out here in the east. I can't imagine needing anything narrower out west even when there has been no new snow in a while. I have found it to be very stable.
Thanks for your suggestion. I did look at that one (which lead me to the Progressor 10+), but I figured something a bit narrower and stiffer would probably hold up a bit better to my style of skiing on hardpack/bump days.