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Atomic D2 Cheaters (any opinions)

post #1 of 17
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I am thinking about getting the atomic D2 GS cheater (184, 19m) to use in my high school league.

 

The course is about 40-50 seconds and overall fairly strait and one of the iciest thinks you have ever seen.

 

I am 6 foot 205 lbs and currently using volkl 168 tiger sharks (14.8m) and this isn't working out overly well

 

Any feed back from personal experience or a friend of how these skis handle a lot of stress at high speeds in a race course (or in general) would be greatly appreciated.  

post #2 of 17

Try the Atomic D2 SL Racer.  I am beginning to sound like a saleman. 

 

This is a seriously nice ski for an advanced or better skier.

post #3 of 17
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Originally Posted by Doubledeckfan View Post

Try the Atomic D2 SL Racer.  I am beginning to sound like a saleman. 

 

This is a seriously nice ski for an advanced or better skier.


I am running a GS course so im looking more towards a GS ski.  would you recomend the entire atomic line or just the slalom skis?

post #4 of 17

Have a look at the Atomic site:

 

http://www.atomicsnow.com/en/ProductFinder.aspx/#/alpine/alpine_ski/4

 

This should show all their range.  At the top click on the 'doubledeck' box.  The second group has the SL and the GS and of course you have the full FIS range.  As always you hire a set of demos for the day and try them.  I did this for the slalom ski and was blown away by the performance.  Also, this time of year you can get some great deals as it is end of season.  I just purchased a set of the SL Racers......the skis are better than I am, but I'm working on it smile.gif.

post #5 of 17

I'll have the ski for "normal" use and is about the same size as you and it's possible the best non-FIS race ski I ever have skied on.

It has a grip that is worldclass and the response is super.

If it gets steeper and more ice in the slope I would go for my old FIS GS skies (Fischer GS, 193cm and 21m radie).

post #6 of 17

Have you tried the SL Racer or the GS version?  I agree with what you said but I have had no problems with icy conditions.  Just a matter of keeping the edges sharp and edging a bit more.

Aren't modern skis a joy!!

post #7 of 17

Fischer RC4's hold ice a ton better than Atomic, IMO.  Volkl Racetigers are pretty good too.

post #8 of 17
Thread Starter 

since you mentioned the Volkl.  how does that ski feel/handle?  i have heard many diffrent opinions on them (i would be looking at a 2009 or 2010 model if i was to get something)

post #9 of 17
Thread Starter 

to be specific the volkl cheaters 09/10

post #10 of 17

 

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Originally Posted by RaceDude View Post

Fischer RC4's hold ice a ton better than Atomic, IMO.  Volkl Racetigers are pretty good too.



And Stocklis can not be left off any list of skis that carve and hold.

 

post #11 of 17

I haven't tried the cheater D2, but I got the FIS D2 (183) a month or so ago after borrowing a friends 191 (awesome ski, but a little much for the town GS). The 183 is just awesome. I love how it absorbs terrain so well, but still has power and holds all day long. Glides nicely too.

post #12 of 17

Your sentiments are similar to anyone who gets on the Atomic doubledecks.

 

Are the Atomic D2 SL Racer skis what you call the "cheater D2"or some other product?  I can understand why. 

 

It says a lot when a ski is sold out at the end of a season rather than having to flog off stock.

post #13 of 17
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Originally Posted by Doubledeckfan View Post

Are the Atomic D2 SL Racer skis what you call the "cheater D2"or some other product?  I can understand why. 



Cheater GS meaning illegal for FIS racing. Radius under 27m (men's) or 23m (women's).

 

http://www.atomicsnow.com/en-US/ProductFinder.aspx/#/alpine/alpine_ski/4/race/aa0001800/d2_race_gs

post #14 of 17

Thanks for the information.

 

Strange that the 'rules' prevent a good product from competing.  It would make good sense to reward a top product with the results they would achieve in competion (within reason).  I mean you wouldn't want to go to the America's lengths and build a catamaran ski roflmao.gif.  Maybe this could open up a whole new thread.

post #15 of 17
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Originally Posted by Doubledeckfan View Post

Thanks for the information.

 

Strange that the 'rules' prevent a good product from competing.  It would make good sense to reward a top product with the results they would achieve in competion (within reason).  I mean you wouldn't want to go to the America's lengths and build a catamaran ski roflmao.gif.  Maybe this could open up a whole new thread.


I don't follow. Atomic does make a legal D2 ski, the O.P. just isn't asking about it.
post #16 of 17

Maybe I've got the wrong idea. 

 

Its just that by requiring the turning radius of an FIS ski to be within certain guidelines it takes away some of the competiveness of manufacturers to be innovative and try and out do the competitors.  I would have thought that a skier would be able to ski on any ski he or she wanted and let the best ski (and skier) win. 

 

So why require manufacturers to produce an FIS ski with performance restrictions?  I don't understand. 

post #17 of 17
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Originally Posted by Doubledeckfan View Post

So why require manufacturers to produce an FIS ski with performance restrictions?  I don't understand. 


 

The forces that a FIS level (or higher level) racer can apply mean that a 19 meter ski would introduce a higher risk of injury. 

The 19 meter ski would come around too fast and too much. 

 

It's not that the FIS rated D2 skis have performance restrictions, they have different performance values.

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